Don't know if there's a thread discussing him or not. Anyone else really disappointed in his play? Just looks slow and like he is really struggling. Think the ankle is causing him issues or possibly a new injury?
I was actually thinking about starting one soon, specifically referencing this article from a while back.
Strong offense, leaky defense -- How should the Wild deploy...
Some of the graphics they used:
This is from about three weeks ago now, but basically, he's been excellent offensive this year and terrible defensively. It's not just the Dumba effect either.
It's certainly not Dumba's fault that Suter has looked extra slow these last few games.
The defense may have improved but his offensive numbers certainly have dried up: 1 assist since Dumba went down. I admit that I've had to miss more games than I've actually watched recently though, so I'm not sure what he's actually looked like on the ice.I guess I personally don't care if he "looks slow", if the results on the ice are good which they are. And since that article 3 weeks ago, every single number they showed has improved...
But that must be a coincidence.
You're right, Dumba certainly isn't helping the numbers. But the eye test has also shown that Suter hasn't fully returned to form after the injury, at least in my opinion.How do we know? Now that Suter is with Spurgeon again, their numbers are excellent. The two worst xGA/60 pairings the Wild have assembled this year are Dumba-Suter and Dumba-Brodin. Dumba has the worst individual xGA/60 on the team.
At the point that article was written, Dumba and Suter had spent very few minutes away from each other, it's telling that the author (a long time Dumba apologist from his Hockey Wilderness days) only showed Suter's relative defense because Dumba's probably looked exactly the same.
Given Suter's numbers are improving exponentially game by game with Spurgeon, either Spurgeon is that good and anyone who suggests trading him should be drawn and quartered, or Dumba has a negative impact on team defense. (or most probably both).
The defense may have improved but his offensive numbers certainly have dried up: 1 assist since Dumba went down. I admit that I've had to miss more games than I've actually watched recently though, so I'm not sure what he's actually looked like on the ice.
You're right, Dumba certainly isn't helping the numbers. But the eye test has also shown that Suter hasn't fully returned to form after the injury, at least in my opinion.
As far as Spurgeon being that good... I'd also say yes. Do you have the numbers since Dumba went down? I'm curious.
I guess I personally don't care if he "looks slow", if the results on the ice are good which they are. And since that article 3 weeks ago, every single number they showed has improved...
But that must be a coincidence.
That's the hope I suppose. Time will tell if he ever gets back to form. Not a lot of precedent to go on with his injury either.Or it could be that Suter needed the first month or two of the season to get into shape, and it tanked his stats so bad that there was nowhere to go but up.
Drawn, quartered, entrails pulled out and set on fire, scratch his car, and spit on his girlfriend.How do we know? Now that Suter is with Spurgeon again, their numbers are excellent. The two worst xGA/60 pairings the Wild have assembled this year are Dumba-Suter and Dumba-Brodin. Dumba has the worst individual xGA/60 on the team.
At the point that article was written, Dumba and Suter had spent very few minutes away from each other, it's telling that the author (a long time Dumba apologist from his Hockey Wilderness days) only showed Suter's relative defense because Dumba's probably looked exactly the same.
Given Suter's numbers are improving exponentially game by game with Spurgeon, either Spurgeon is that good and anyone who suggests trading him should be drawn and quartered, or Dumba has a negative impact on team defense. (or most probably both).
That's the hope I suppose. Time will tell if he ever gets back to form. Not a lot of precedent to go on with his injury either.
Well the concern is more about the specific bone. Originally they said that if he played another sport, he may never be back to 100%. That's why you can't even compare it to a standard ankle break. There's just no real way to know if he'll permanently have physical limitations with it.An ACL/MCL tear is about the same amount of recovery time after surgery if that helps.
Ankle injuries don't get better during the season, there just isn't the downtime for the rest/recovery it needs to get back to where it was prior to the injury. I don't think we'll see much more from him physically than what he is right now the rest of the season. He can adjust how he plays the game to somewhat cover the physical deficiencies. Which I think he has been doing by not being as involved in the o-zone game so he can cover his d-zone responsibilities and doesn't get hung out to dry.
Yeah, if he was a hoopster he'd be done.Well the concern is more about the specific bone. Originally they said that if he played another sport, he may never be back to 100%. That's why you can't even compare it to a standard ankle break. There's just no real way to know if he'll permanently have physical limitations with it.
Well the concern is more about the specific bone. Originally they said that if he played another sport, he may never be back to 100%. That's why you can't even compare it to a standard ankle break. There's just no real way to know if he'll permanently have physical limitations with it.
Just in recent memory he was beat out for an icing he should have won, a guy came in on Dubnyk from an angle because Suter didn’t have the footspeed to get to him, and he’s noticeably different in his play in the d-zone. Being bailed out by his teammates doesn’t change that he’s been an issue.I guess I personally don't care if he "looks slow", if the results on the ice are good which they are. And since that article 3 weeks ago, every single number they showed has improved...
But that must be a coincidence.
Yeah, i see that too. Plays that he would've made before he isn't, because he is just a tad slower. He always looked slow before, but in reality he was just pacing himself, and was slightly above average in foot speed, VG in overall skating, and terrific in adjustments. Now everything he does is slower, and he is having trouble adjusting his game to the new reality. I see it most when he is defending someone to the outside, in puck retrieval, and the first couple of steps when he has the puck. He is also slower getting to the puck carrier in the d zone.Just in recent memory he was beat out for an icing he should have won, a guy came in on Dubnyk from an angle because Suter didn’t have the footspeed to get to him, and he’s noticeably different in his play in the d-zone. Being bailed out by his teammates doesn’t change that he’s been an issue.
My wife recently bought a bag of coffee that has "extra" caffeine and guarana in it, and this as accurate a description of the effects as I've come across. Especially the cup I poured after the pot had been on the burner all morning.Kwik Trip milk w/ vitamin D for the bones, Monster Cheetah Spunk in a limited edition car battery for speed, he'll be back in no time. There's no way bees outlasts cheese.
My wife recently bought a bag of coffee that has "extra" caffeine and guarana in it, and this as accurate a description of the effects as I've come across. Especially the cup I poured after the pot had been on the burner all morning.