RW Vitaly Kravtsov - Traktor Chelyabinsk, KHL (2018 Draft)

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  1. Kshahdoo

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    "Craig Button, TSN resident director of scouting, NHL analyst and a former NHL general manager, said Denisenko reminds him a lot of Tampa Bay Lightning forward Nikita Kucherov.
    "I love Denisenko's creativity, he can make plays and finish plays," Button said. "I think Kravstov is a scoring winger. He's going to need the puck on the move and when he gets the puck on the move he's got the size to get things done, but I think his game is more narrow than Denisenko's. Denisenko can score in multiple ways, off the rush, in tight, off the cycle, and he's incredibly imaginative and hungry to score.
    "In my opinion, Kravstov has to get the puck on the move and needs a center that's going to distribute it to him. Denisenko has a multi-platform game."

    Scouts split over best Russian forwards ahead of NHL Draft

    Does Button mean goals like this?

     
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    KHL youtube vids are geoblocked almost everywhere outside of Russia, so it is better to post tweets with gifs or videos.


    Btw, it has been reported that Kravtsov had interviews with 25 teams at the Combine.
     
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    Yeah, forgot about it, but fixed now.
     
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    How does he compare to recent first rounder Denis guryanov?
     
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    Kravtsov is better
     
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    Kravtsov produced in the KHL, so there's that.

    He seems to me like a Gurianov with a hockey IQ.
     
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    He scored 2 goals against Austria in the Pre-WC. The last draft-eligible to do that to us was Auston Matthews, just saying.

    He was dominant. Take this guy top 10.
     
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    I have a feeling the Rangers are going to pick him 9th. They never shy away from Russians. When Kuznetsov was selected in 2010, McKenzie mentioned that they were very interested in him at 10th overall. Buchnevich, Cherapanov, Shestyorkin, Grachev, Anisimov.. bit of a history there. Seems like a fit to me.
     
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    Just noticed today, Kravtsov isn't in the first round in the ISS ranking :laugh: Although I wouldn't pick him in the top 10 and I generally feel he is being overrated at this point for basically producing on PP in PO but come on now..
     
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    Really like what I've seen of him, but honestly it isn't as much as I would like. From someone who watches him consistently, what would be the biggest thing(s) holding him back from being a top-6 forward in the NHL?
     
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    ouch, McIlrath
     
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    Totally different players: Guryanov was all about the skating and natural athleticism (ok, had also a good shot), Kravtsov is not that athletic (at least yet) and isn't that explosive, but is noticeably more skilled and hands are definitely much much softer, as Guryanov's hands are definitely his weakness. Won't compare the hockey sense, as it is pretty hard to evaluate it at the draft age.
     
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    does kravtsov have a shot at being a better player than svechnikov? if i were the wild gm i'd roll the dice if he drops to #24 and thank my lucky stars!
     
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    For the people who don't understand why award rookie of the year take Kravtsov.
    You can translate to english and you will see:
    1) Only for Russian <26
    2) Award established by the company "Centrosport" not by KHL
    Yes it's absurd, even if Tolvanen played like Gretzky he can't win because of the rule. And most people in Russian can't take it, like wtf Tolvanen won almost all 'rookie of the month award'
    PS: i'm not russian, right now internation student in Moscow;
    Лучший новичок сезона (хоккейный приз) — Википедия
     
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    Really like him and would love him on the Caps. Caps need some high potential forwards to step up when Oshie and Ovechkin get older. Will be interesting to see if Caps have some high picks after they have traded Grubauer.
     
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    This was later debunked. The rule does not apply anymore. Here's an article (Iltalehti, in Finnish) stating that the KHL had confirmed to Jokerit that the nationality does not matter when selecting the rookie of the year: KHL syrjäytti Eeli Tolvasen tylysti - IL paljastaa venäläisten kulissipelin: ”He eivät koskaan myönnä tätä”

    A translated quote from the article: "KHL wanted to be sure that the winner is in the gala to collect the trophy. This has always been the issue with foreign players, especially with players in non-Russian teams, Russian KHL source tells to Iltalehti."
     
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    It actually makes sense, considering all this ****y rivalry between leagues. I mean, NHL doesn't even consider KHL a major professional league, and KHL can't be any better to NHL as well.
     
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    Bob McKenzie told in his podcast that at least one polled scout out of 10 has Kravtsov in the top 5.
     
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    He's #7 for me and honestly #5 doesn't seem like a stretch.
     
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    It looks like the kid promised them at the combine, he'd come to the NHL in a year, if he's ready. Isn't going to move to SKA as well, and I bet, it's because SKA wants him sign a longer contract.
     
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    I think having top 10 makes some sense, but I just do not see his game as that of a top 5 prospect.

    There's a point where "underrated players" can become overrated. Some players are capable of breaking out and rising all the way to the top, but some just do not have that skill-set and can only rise to a certain point. I just don't see top 5 upside for Kravtsov. If he's going to be top 5 or so, you probably want him to be like a 70-80 point player in the NHL, considering he already is at a position disadvantage, and isn't going to be a Selke candidate. Does he have that upside? I just don't see it. I think he's skilled, but I'm not sure I see him as supremely skilled, a player who will be one of the better wingers in the NHL. I think he's more of a 30-30 guy than a 40-40 guy.

    I also slightly worry that he isn't a sure thing. If I'm picking a player in the top 5, they better not have bust potential. Its not that I think Kravtsov will bust, but outside of the stretch in the playoffs, which was only two playoff series, he's not exactly had the production of a top 5 pick. Some of that is the role he was given, but some of it isn't.
     
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    He has the chance to be the Elias Petterson of this years draft. The kid is filthy good.
     
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    I think he will be the hidden gem of this draft (forwards). Love his game he should go between 7-17.
     
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    I think he goes either to the Flyers at 14 or Devils at 17, with an outside chance for the Rangers at 9.
     
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    From the sounds of it Kravtsov is in McKenzie's Top 12
     

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