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[Pavel10]

Regarding Campbell is there anyone that he can be traded to? Eg a David Clarkson Nathan Horton swap.

Ie some poor team gets a starting goalie that plays and oilers get $5 mil cap space for taking on an ltir contract? Logan couture is 35 isn't in the best health. I'm not saying he'd never play again but could fool around ala Vegas at least.

Also would be nice if Mike Grier could do his old team a favor and he does need a goalie.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Regarding Campbell is there anyone that he can be traded to? Eg a David Clarkson Nathan Horton swap.

Ie some poor team gets a starting goalie that plays and oilers get $5 mil cap space for taking on an ltir contract? Logan couture is 35 isn't in the best health. I'm not saying he'd never play again but could fool around ala Vegas at least.

Also would be nice if Mike Grier could do his old team a favor and he does need a goalie.

Dumping Campbell is the first move for our new GM just as dumping Lucic was our first move for our old GM.

 

[Fourier]

I don't necessarily think that he'll regress. If he were to maintain his current play over a 4 year deal at that term it would be a fair and good deal. I just don't like the thought of locking into any bottom pairing/line players for that long. It shouldn't be difficult to replace guys like that every couple of years, but that's just my opinion and I could be entirely wrong. Given how tight the cap will get in a hypothetical McDrai both extend scenario, every 1.5-2 million will count.

If you can sign Desharnais long term for under $2M you definitely do so. Say something like 4 years at $1.6M. There is little risk to such a contract. He has made a huge stride forward this year. While he may never be anything more than a #5/6 5 vs 5 he could become an elite pk'er. But unless he regresses significantly at the very worst you would be able to trade him if need be with minimal retention.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

If you can sign Desharnais long term for under $2M you definitely do so. Say something like 4 years at $1.6M. There is little risk to such a contract. He has made a huge stride forward this year. While he may never be anything more than a #5/6 5 vs 5 he could become an elite pk'er. But unless he regresses significantly at the very worst you would be able to trade him if need be with minimal retention.

If they wanted to sign him last summer I think his number would have been much less than it will be this summer. Now I think it begins with a 2 + depending on term.

 

[Fourier]

If they wanted to sign him last summer I think his number would have been much less than it will be this summer. Now I think it begins with a 2 + depending on term.

No question had they signed him last year the number would have been much lower. I suspect he would have jumped on a 3 year $1M deal. However, his offensive numbers are still going to hold him back salarywise to a significant degree. Even for defensemen points equal money. With 11 points he just limits what he might get as a bottom pairing defenseman. It typically takes them several contracts to establish themselves consistently enough on the defensive side to move up the salary ranks. A guy like Seeler for example now gets $2.7M but this is his 5th deal.

It might seem strange but from Desharnais' perspective there is a risk of going for the bigger dollar deal especially if it is on a weaker team. Given his lack of offense if he ever laps defensively he risks becoming a buyout candidate. And for a late drafted strictly defensive 5/6 defenseman that usually is a career ending proposition.

He is in a great spot with the Oilers. His skill set matches their needs and the team values what he does. Term might be the most valuable thing the Oilers could give him. Four years in the $1.5-2M range goes a long way to giving him a small degree of financial security. He won't be able to live like a king for life of course but a couple of million $US in the bank is a decent safety net for a guy in his 20's even if he never signs another deal. Moreover, his target should be to stay in the league as long as possible. 4 years earns him $110K US per year in pension with a 100% survivor benefit at age 62 indexed to inflation.. The NHL pension plan gives full benefits at 10 years of service. For a guy like Vinny that is a huge plus.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

No question had they signed him last year the number would have been much lower. I suspect he would have jumped on a 3 year $1M deal. However, his offensive numbers are still going to hold him back salarywise to a significant degree. Even for defensemen points equal money. With 11 points he just limits what he might get as a bottom pairing defenseman. It typically takes them several contracts to establish themselves consistently enough on the defensive side to move up the salary ranks. A guy like Seeler for example now gets $2.7M but this is his 5th deal.

It might seem strange but from Desharnais' perspective there is a risk of going for the bigger dollar deal especially if it is on a weaker team. Given his lack of offense if he ever laps defensively he risks becoming a buyout candidate. And for a late drafted strictly defensive 5/6 defenseman that usually is a career ending proposition.

He is in a great spot with the Oilers. His skill set matches their needs and the team values what he does. Term might be the most valuable thing the Oilers could give him. Four years in the $1.5-2M range goes a long way to giving him a small degree of financial security. He won't be able to live like a king for life of course but a couple of million $US in the bank is a decent safety net for a guy in his 20's even if he never signs another deal. Moreover, his target should be to stay in the league as long as possible. 4 years earns him $110K US per year in pension with a 100% survivor benefit at age 62 indexed to inflation.. The NHL pension plan gives full benefits at 10 years of service. For a guy like Vinny that is a huge plus.

Agree with all you’ve said but being a UFA I think someone out there will offer him 2 to 2.5 x 4.

 

[GOilers88]

If you can sign Desharnais long term for under $2M you definitely do so. Say something like 4 years at $1.6M. There is little risk to such a contract. He has made a huge stride forward this year. While he may never be anything more than a #5/6 5 vs 5 he could become an elite pk'er. But unless he regresses significantly at the very worst you would be able to trade him if need be with minimal retention.

He's winning me over so far this post season. Hopefully he keeps it up.

 

[Heavy Dee]

I sill can believe that with Paul Coffey screaming at Holland to draft Wyatt Johnston that they took Bourgault.

No wonder Wright got fired as soon as Coffey got Jackson hired.

 

[Fourier]

Agree with all you’ve said but being a UFA I think someone out there will offer him 2 to 2.5 x 4.

It is quite possible that there will be a team that would be willing to do that. But it is also possible that such a contract won't be on the table at least not right away. Unless they increase the cap more than the amount in play there will still be a fairly tight cap for the majority of the teams. This is a big risk for a guy like Desharnais who is unlikely to be a first choice UFA. There are a lot of UFA defenders who could be on the move next year. Guys like Pesce, Tanev and Hronek will be in the first tier. But you also have a long list of people like Edmundson, Brodie, Barrie, Ghost, Matt Roy, Dumba etc that will probably be on the move. If I had to guess there could be 20-30 #4-6 defensemen looking to move on. A lot of these guys would be more likely targets for early signing by teams with cap space to spare.

The advantage the Oilers have is that they can offer him a deal before he hits UFA status that gives him stability without the risk of ending up having to take a lesser deal. . Of course they may not choose to do so. But I suspect he ends up staying.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

With Vinny, he was such a long shot to get drafted, let alone make the NHL in the first place. I can see him being one of those loyal guys to the org because they stuck with him and gave him a shot. Guys like Vinny don’t forget about that kind of stuff.

He’ll sign with the Oilers and at a reasonable cap hit, I’m not worried.

 

[McJadeddog]

I sill can believe that with Paul Coffey screaming at Holland to draft Wyatt Johnston that they took Bourgault.

No wonder Wright got fired as soon as Coffey got Jackson hired.

Is that a true story? First I've heard it.

 

[TheNumber4]

Is that a true story? First I've heard it.

Yeh I’d like a direct source on that too.

I did find that Coffey mentored and coached Wyatt. And he wouldn’t shut up with praise about him in general in an article online.

 

[alphahelix]

Definitely read somewhere that Coffey pushed hard for them to draft Wyatt. Whether there was a connection to Wright being fired or what have you, is up to the imagination. Seems like a plausible strike against the whole team. Also another reason for Coffey meteoric rise in the org from random skills coach/ red wine club affiliate to full time staffer.

Coffey draws a lotta water in this here arena… Wright don’t draw shit. I hear the AGM in charge of scouting is a real reactionary.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Is that a true story? First I've heard it.

Yessir

Yeh I’d like a direct source on that too.

I did find that Coffey mentored and coached Wyatt. And he wouldn’t shut up with praise about him in general in an article online.

Stauffer

 

[McJadeddog]

Yessir



Stauffer

Thanks for the source, but since that source is Stauffer, I remain solidly unconvinced. It could 100% be true, its just that Stauffer just tows the company line, and sucks up to whomever is currently employed by the Oilers. He has nothing but contempt for people once they leave the org, the same people that he praised non-stop when they were with the team.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Thanks for the source, but since that source is Stauffer, I remain solidly unconvinced. It could 100% be true, its just that Stauffer just tows the company line, and sucks up to whomever is currently employed by the Oilers. He has nothing but contempt for people once they leave the org, the same people that he praised non-stop when they were with the team.

Seravalli I believe did as well.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Thanks for the source, but since that source is Stauffer, I remain solidly unconvinced. It could 100% be true, its just that Stauffer just tows the company line, and sucks up to whomever is currently employed by the Oilers. He has nothing but contempt for people once they leave the org, the same people that he praised non-stop when they were with the team.

Coffey watched the kid in the GTHL and may even have coached him. And Stauffer said he knew there was a push for the kid outside the org to draft him because he wasn't well scouted in his draft year because he was injured.

What more do you want?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Coffey watched the kid in the GTHL and may even have coached him. And Stauffer said he knew there was a push for the kid outside the org to draft him because he wasn't well scouted in his draft year because he was injured.

What more do you want?

I believe Seravalli was talking about this with Gregor on one of their pods as well - and Coffey was his coach.

 

[McDNicks17]

Yeah. Coffey's son is the same age as Johnston and they played together all the way up. Coffey coached a few of their teams.

 

[foshizzle]

Regarding Campbell is there anyone that he can be traded to? Eg a David Clarkson Nathan Horton swap.

Ie some poor team gets a starting goalie that plays and oilers get $5 mil cap space for taking on an ltir contract? Logan couture is 35 isn't in the best health. I'm not saying he'd never play again but could fool around ala Vegas at least.

Also would be nice if Mike Grier could do his old team a favor and he does need a goalie.

LA is going to sign him if Oilers buy him out

 

[foshizzle]

Yep. Pisses me off that after Campbell's buyout we will be 6.5M in the hole next year. That's a pretty spectacular upgrade to our roster somewhere. Imagine replacing Ceci with that. Ugh.

That's why I dont think they buy out Campbell this off-season.

signing Brown was a massive, massive mistake. "We lost to Vegas and our Defense was horrid. I know- let's sign Connor Brown"

 

[Pavel10]

LA is going to sign him if Oilers buy him out

Ideally we don't need to retain some how creatively like the Clarkson shuffle

 

[Fourier]

That's why I dont think they buy out Campbell this off-season.

signing Brown was a massive, massive mistake. "We lost to Vegas and our Defense was horrid. I know- let's sign Connor Brown"

Do you expect him to regain the starters role or at least be solid backup because a $5M inconsistent backup is a lot more dead space than a buyout. and even if he is decent its a lot to spend on a backup when there are other more pressing needs for that money.

 

[samiam]

LA is going to sign him if Oilers buy him out

If so, why not offer him to LA at 40% retained, with perhaps an asset included as well.
This would cost us $2M for 3 yrs, instead of a buyout which costs us $1.5M for 6 yrs.
I'd also consider including a larger asset if it meant a reduced retained %.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Regarding Campbell is there anyone that he can be traded to? Eg a David Clarkson Nathan Horton swap.

Ie some poor team gets a starting goalie that plays and oilers get $5 mil cap space for taking on an ltir contract? Logan couture is 35 isn't in the best health. I'm not saying he'd never play again but could fool around ala Vegas at least.

Also would be nice if Mike Grier could do his old team a favor and he does need a goalie.

I can see a bad and expensive goalie merry-go-round happening this offseason.

Markstrom, Ullmark and maybe Soros are the only quality names on the market, meanwhile...

Merzlikins and Gibson are likely done with their orgs; and Kuemper, Husso, Grubauer, and Korpisalo are all in the "free to good home" pile.


A lot depends on what you want to do. Are you fine swapping him for another expensive and underperforming goalie? I don't think that will be hard to do. Or do you specifically want an overpaid skater specifically to get the cap allocated elsewhere?

Though I don't see a ton of teams that'd be willing to bring a goalie in without sending one back. TOR, SJ, and maybe CHI?


Personally, I think it's more likely that Campbell's backup vs. being bought out.