Rumor: Rumours & Proposals Thread | Forecasting the Expansion Draft

[Mr Positive]

Russell is harder to trade because of his NTC.

yes, that's why I say "somewhere". There are even good teams who will be slashing salary and will find Russell's high cap but low salary as desirable

But sure, maybe not. We may have to keep him.

 

[Cloned]

yes, that's why I say "somewhere". There are even good teams who will be slashing salary and will find Russell's high cap but low salary as desirable

But sure, maybe not. We may have to keep him.

He wants to stay in Western Canada. That basically means Vancouver, Winnipeg or Calgary.

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

 

[Mr Positive]

He wants to stay in Western Canada. That basically means Vancouver, Winnipeg or Calgary.

His list has to have 15 teams on it though.

Plus, I think Winnipeg would take him. Maybe when the dust settles in Calgary, they could be a desintation. The Lucic trade worked out for them. They liked Russell when he was there.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

When a player submits a 15 team no trade list, is that done at the beginning of when the contract is signed?

Like if Russell doesn't want to get traded now, would he be able to change his list to include all the teams we could realistically trade him to?

Or was the list of teams created when he signed his contract and is set in stone?

 

[Cloned]

His list has to have 15 teams on it though.

Plus, I think Winnipeg would take him. Maybe when the dust settles in Calgary, they could be a desintation. The Lucic trade worked out for them. They liked Russell when he was there.

The other thing is that Russell is simply better (when he's playing on the left side) than Larsson.

 

[oilsplatzz]

With talk of Pool Party maybe rejoining the Oilers would it not be a smart move to trade Nugent Hopkins for Laine, A friend for Pool party and potential linemate for McD. Money is almost the same as well. Seems to me both teams would benefit from what each of the players would bring,and at almost same money as well.

 

[Cloned]

Plus he can simply list all the teams that actually have cap room to accommodate him on his no-trade list and that gives him a full NTC in effect.

 

[J1mLahey]

This isn't a rumor this is you speculating/proposing Laine for 1 year of RNH

 

[wintersej]

Close it up

 

[oilers2020]

OP EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

 

[Mr Positive]

When a player submits a 15 team no trade list, is that done at the beginning of when the contract is signed?

Like if Russell doesn't want to get traded now, would he be able to change his list to include all the teams we could realistically trade him to?

Or was the list of teams created when he signed his contract and is set in stone?

No they make a new list every year. I don't think they are allowed to change it after that, but maybe they are.

But yes, they definitely can and will pick their list to try to discourage a trade.

I think Russell will play ball though. We just have to tell him that he won't get ice time here anymore, which is true btw

 

[Ritchie Valens]

When a player submits a 15 team no trade list, is that done at the beginning of when the contract is signed?

Like if Russell doesn't want to get traded now, would he be able to change his list to include all the teams we could realistically trade him to?

Or was the list of teams created when he signed his contract and is set in stone?

I think the player provides the teams he would or would not accept a trade to (depending on how the clause is worded in the contract) at the start of each season if its not an all-inclusive NTC. If I recall, the lists have to be submitted around the start of camp or around the start of the regular season. I also believe just because a team is on the list a player would go to, he still has to waive it if a team on his list was attempting to acquiring him at some point.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

No they make a new list every year. I don't think they are allowed to change it after that, but maybe they are.

But yes, they definitely can and will pick their list to try to discourage a trade.

I think Russell will play ball though. We just have to tell him that he won't get ice time here anymore, which is true btw

I think the player provides the teams he would or would not accept a trade to (depending on how the clause is worded in the contract) at the start of each season if its not an all-inclusive NTC. If I recall, the lists have to be submitted around the start of camp or around the start of the regular season. I also believe just because a team is on the list a player would go to, he still has to waive it if a team on his list was attempting to acquiring him at some point.

Interesting. Thank you!

I think we'll be able to move on from Russell but I wonder how many teams not on his list will be willing to take him.

 

[belair]

I'd also dump Kassian after, then Russell is gone the year after.

I also would trade AA.

I understand that this is a really optimistic hypothetical, but...

McDavid 12.5
Drai 8.5
OEL 8.5
RNH 7
Neal 5.75
Hall 5
Klef 4
Goalie 4
Yamo 4
Bear 3

That's $62.25m for ten players after year two. Oilers make a push that year? People get raises. But at this point you've got $19.25m to build the other half of your roster.

Even dumping all of our bad contracts, taking no salary back and getting stars for bargain basement prices, the money still doesn't work.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

If Boston gets all pissy-pants with Rask, I'd kick some tires and check the rad for leaks.

 

[Soul8]

If anyone was interested Lawton was on d saie moving out2 of our top 4 dman ,obvioously not named Bear. That would mean 2 of Larrson nurse and Klefbom

 

[Roof Daddy]

Plus he can simply list all the teams that actually have cap room to accommodate him on his no-trade list and that gives him a full NTC in effect.

I personally think the best approach would be the Oil talking to him and saying “look, we don’t see a fit here anymore, we will look to trade you one way or another..... OR you could retire after your 2.5 million bonus is paid out and we’ll hire you to a scouting gig that only requires you to scout teams in the WHL/AJHL/SJHL that doesn’t take you more than 500km away from the ranch.”

Does 1.5 mil mean much to Russell anymore? Especially when you’ve made 30 mil already and it might mean taking a Weber slapper off the toes just to squeeze out another 1.5 mil (and it might be playing in the US, 2000km away from the ranch if we deal him).

I think there’s a classy way for both sides to come out on top.

 

[Cloned]

I understand that this is a really optimistic hypothetical, but...

McDavid 12.5
Drai 8.5
OEL 8.5
RNH 7
Neal 5.75
Hall 5
Klef 4
Goalie 4
Yamo 4
Bear 3

That's $62.25m for ten players after year two. Oilers make a push that year? People get raises. But at this point you've got $19.25m to build the other half of your roster.

Even dumping all of our bad contracts, taking no salary back and getting stars for bargain basement prices, the money still doesn't work.

Can't really predict what will happen because we don't know what will happen with the cap and the revenues. Worth noting also that Neal would only have 1 year left at that point.

 

[North]

If anyone was interested Lawton was on d saie moving out2 of our top 4 dman ,obvioously not named Bear. That would mean 2 of Larrson nurse and Klefbom

Friedman said last week that Holland won’t trade Nurse because he’s part of the leadership group.

 

[belair]

Can't really predict what will happen because we don't know what will happen with the cap and the revenues. Worth noting also that Neal would only have 1 year left at that point.

True, but you're not really leaving the team with much wiggle room to address any future cap inflation, nor are you providing them with much depth beyond their scoring lines moving forward.

I mean odds are we'd be paying more than $4m for goaltending anyways. You'd want a pretty good quality 4th defenseman. You might want some NHL calibre PKers or some reasonably productive third liners. That left over money would get spent up pretty fast, even if the league's revenues added another few million to the cap.

 

[Cloned]

True, but you're not really leaving the team with much wiggle room to address any future cap inflation, nor are you providing them with much depth beyond their scoring lines moving forward.

I mean odds are we'd be paying more than $4m for goaltending anyways. You'd want a pretty good quality 4th defenseman. You might want some NHL calibre PKers or some reasonably productive third liners. That left over money would get spent up pretty fast, even if the league's revenues added another few million to the cap.

Team's going to be top heavy either way IMO. We have to decide which players to spend that cap on.

 

[Cloned]

I personally think the best approach would be the Oil talking to him and saying “look, we don’t see a fit here anymore, we will look to trade you one way or another..... OR you could retire after your 2.5 million bonus is paid out and we’ll hire you to a scouting gig that only requires you to scout teams in the WHL/AJHL/SJHL that doesn’t take you more than 500km away from the ranch.”

Does 1.5 mil mean much to Russell anymore? Especially when you’ve made 30 mil already and it might mean taking a Weber slapper off the toes just to squeeze out another 1.5 mil (and it might be playing in the US, 2000km away from the ranch if we deal him).

I think there’s a classy way for both sides to come out on top.

I think he's better than Larsson anyway, and Larsson will be easier to trade without the NTC.

 

[belair]

Team's going to be top heavy either way IMO. We have to decide which players to spend that cap on.

So you're saying we should go top-heavier because it's inevitable?

I'm not really worried about our scoring lines moving forward. I just think it's important for us to be able to keep the guys coming in every year if and when they succeed.

 

[rt]

That makes it a lot closer.

Can OEL play on the right side??

He hasn’t had to in Arizona so I don’t know.

OEL and Fischer and the rights to Hall for Neal, Kassian, Russell, Samorukov, the ‘20 1st and the ‘21 1st

???