Rumor: Rumours and Proposals: Part 8 - probably standing pat edition

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[Jimmi McJenkins]

Needs more Lindholm

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Moar trades please.

 

[Kerricthebig]

Needs more Lindholm

You've got a fever? And the only cure is more Lindholm?

 

[belair]

Who needs trades? We're in first place!

 

[Spawn]

I wish people would stop making up bogus insider sources.

 

[Seachd]

I thought the NHL was going to have a rule against this?

They mentioned something about it, and I'm curious to see what happens. In past expansion drafts, you could give a team a pick or whatever to not take your player.

I'm not sure how that would go now where trades need to be X for Y. A draft pick for future considerations hasn't been done under the new CBA, and I don't think it would really fly with the league.

 

[Klimando Kostani]

The more Winnipeg and Anaheim keep spinning their tires is the more itchy their GMs must get to pull the trigger on a deal.

 

[joestevens29]

They mentioned something about it, and I'm curious to see what happens. In past expansion drafts, you could give a team a pick or whatever to not take your player.

I'm not sure how that would go now where trades need to be X for Y. A draft pick for future considerations hasn't been done under the new CBA, and I don't think it would really fly with the league.

I mean at the end of the day you could just make a deal two weeks later and throw in that extra pick/prospect and then the league couldn't really do anything.

 

[Jet Walters]

The more Winnipeg and Anaheim keep spinning their tires is the more itchy their GMs must get to pull the trigger on a deal.

It's a nice change for the Oilers to not have to deal from their usual position of desperation.

 

[Canovin]

Vegas takes Russell. He becomes a UFA in a couple of days and re-signs with us.

 

[joestevens29]

The more Winnipeg and Anaheim keep spinning their tires is the more itchy their GMs must get to pull the trigger on a deal.

Chevy got lucky once already with Kane. The big difference is he still had Kane playing for him while waiting for a trade. This team he has an asset just sitting there doing nothing for the team.

It is still early, but if the teams are sitting similar in a few weeks I wonder if things change.

The other thing to me that makes it worse is that the longer these guys sit there the more time you are leaving for another gm to get hit with an injury. Teams might not be willing to go offer sheet quite yet, but if desperate times start coming for other teams then who knows.

 

[Halibut]

And see, I don't like this. I don't think it's prudent cap management. You're going to turn a $6M center into either a third line checker or a winger? That's a waste of an asset and a waste of money.

It's especially silly when we know the premium young top six centers command. I'm sure a team like Columbus or Minnesota would pony up a good young defender to bring RNH on-board, and that's a bigger need for us than an elite 3C.

Trade RNH today- no later than after Vegas joins the league- and the team will better off for it.

The value for RNH in the off season was reportedly Dumba and they were looking for us to add. We're not getting much for him right now because he looks like a $6M 3rd line center. Teams arent going to pay a premium for that especially since his contract is for another 5 years. If he starts to produce he might up his value but most likely it wont be until after expansion.

 

[joestevens29]

The value for RNH in the off season was reportedly Dumba and they were looking for us to add. We're not getting much for him right now because he looks like a $6M 3rd line center. Teams arent going to pay a premium for that especially since his contract is for another 5 years. If he starts to produce he might up his value but most likely it wont be until after expansion.

The other problem that was brought up was his health. Can't remember if it was Elliott or Bob, but they were saying teams also worry about his health.

 

[Nordic*]

Speaking of Lindholm, how about Elias Lindholm for Hendricks and 2017 1st. Protected of course, but it won't be a top-10 pick unless the world implodes.

 

[joestevens29]

Speaking of Lindholm, how about Elias Lindholm for Hendricks and 2017 1st. Protected of course, but it won't be a top-10 pick unless the world implodes.

Carolina wouldn't do this. The guy was a top 5 pick, so the whole protection thing really doesn't work in this case.

Oddly enough they have 10% of the Swedes in the league. They for sure would need Lander in any deal.

 

[Jet Walters]

Speaking of Lindholm, how about Elias Lindholm for Hendricks and 2017 1st. Protected of course, but it won't be a top-10 pick unless the world implodes.

Why would the Hurricanes trade a guy they used a top 5 pick on who's just now turning into an NHL player for another pick and an aging Hendricks? The Oilers shouldn't be looking for a 21 year old forward right now anyways. We have enough youth up front.

I'd try for a Jannik Hansen type up front if anything. Strong ES offensive production, fast two way player with elite penalty killing ability.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

So since people seem to think paying $6M for your checking center is par for the course, here is the C depth of every other NHL club (cap hit in parenthesis):

ANH- Getzlaf ($8.25M), Kesler ($6.875M), Vermette ($1.75M)
ARI- Hanzal ($3.1M), Dvorak ($0.839M), Richardson ($2.0M)
BOS- Bergeron ($6.875M), Krejci ($7.25M), Spooner ($0.95M)
BUF- ROR ($7.5M), Reinhart ($0.894M), Larsson ($0.95M)
CGY- Monahan ($6.375M), Bennett ($0.925M), Backlund ($3.575M)
CAR- Rask ($4M), J. Staal ($6M), Lindholm ($2.7M)
CHI- Toews ($10.5M), Anisimov ($4.55M), Schmaltz ($0.925M)
COL- MacKinnon ($6.3M), Soderberg ($4.75M), Colborne ($2.5M)
CBJ- Dubinsky ($5.85M), Wennberg ($0.925M), Karlsson ($1M)
DAL- Seguin ($5.75M), Faksa ($0.863M), Shore ($0.87M)
DET- Nielsen ($5.25M), Zetterberg ($6M), Helm ($3.85M)
FLA- Barkov ($5.9M), Trocheck ($4.75M), Malgin ($0.69M)
LAK- Kopitar ($10M), Carter ($5.2M), Dowd ($0.64M)
MIN- Koivu ($6.75M), E. Staal ($3.5M), Eriksson-Ek ($0.894M)
MON- Galchenyuk ($2.8M), Plekanec ($6M), Desharnais ($3.5M)
NAS- Johansen ($4M), Fisher ($4.4M), Ribeiro ($3.5M)
NJD- Zacha ($0.894M), Zajac ($5.75M), Henrique ($4M)
NYI- Tavares ($5.5M), Nelson ($2.5M), Strome ($2.5M)
NYR- Stepan ($6.5M), Zibanejad ($2.625M), Hayes ($2.6M)
OTT- Turris ($3.5M), Brassard ($5M), Kelly ($0.9M)
PHI- Giroux ($8.275M), Couturier ($4.33M), Bellemare ($0.712M)
PIT- Crosby ($8.7M), Malkin ($9.5M), Bonino ($1.9M)
SJS- Thornton ($6.75M), Couture ($6M), Tierney ($0.711M)
STL- Stastny ($7M), Scwhartz ($5.35M), Berglund ($3.7M)
TBL- Stamkos ($8.5M), Johnson ($3.33M), Filppula ($5M)
TOR- Matthews ($0.925M), Bozak ($4.2M), Kadri ($4.5M)
VAN- H. Sedin ($7.0M), Sutter ($4.375M), Horvat ($0.894)
WAS- Backstrom ($6.7M), Kuznetsov ($3M), Eller ($3.5M)
WPG- Scheifele ($6.125M), Perreault ($3M), Burmistrov ($1.55M)

Anyone notice something- namely, that NO third line center in the NHL makes $6M? Hell, save for Filppula in Tampa, no 3C makes over $4.5. Only three across the entire league carry a cap hit of $4M or more annually.

Clearly, it doesn't make fiscal sense to stick RNH on the third line. If the plan is anything other than to play him in the top six at his natural position, he should be traded immediately.

 

[DerpMorg]

Using RNH as our 3C is absolutely asinine anyways. We need better value and to be smarter in our roster management. Rolling out a 3C at 6 million a season isn't one of those things. The sooner Puljujarvi gets sent down and Drai gets moved to the wing permanently the better.

 

[bobbythebrain]

So since people seem to think paying $6M for your checking center is par for the course, here is the C depth of every other NHL club (cap hit in parenthesis):

ANH- Getzlaf ($8.25M), Kesler ($6.875M), Vermette ($1.75M)
ARI- Hanzal ($3.1M), Dvorak ($0.839M), Richardson ($2.0M)
BOS- Bergeron ($6.875M), Krejci ($7.25M), Spooner ($0.95M)
BUF- ROR ($7.5M), Reinhart ($0.894M), Larsson ($0.95M)
CGY- Monahan ($6.375M), Bennett ($0.925M), Backlund ($3.575M)
CAR- Rask ($4M), J. Staal ($6M), Lindholm ($2.7M)
CHI- Toews ($10.5M), Anisimov ($4.55M), Schmaltz ($0.925M)
COL- MacKinnon ($6.3M), Soderberg ($4.75M), Colborne ($2.5M)
CBJ- Dubinsky ($5.85M), Wennberg ($0.925M), Karlsson ($1M)
DAL- Seguin ($5.75M), Faksa ($0.863M), Shore ($0.87M)
DET- Nielsen ($5.25M), Zetterberg ($6M), Helm ($3.85M)
FLA- Barkov ($5.9M), Trocheck ($4.75M), Malgin ($0.69M)
LAK- Kopitar ($10M), Carter ($5.2M), Dowd ($0.64M)
MIN- Koivu ($6.75M), E. Staal ($3.5M), Eriksson-Ek ($0.894M)
MON- Galchenyuk ($2.8M), Plekanec ($6M), Desharnais ($3.5M)
NAS- Johansen ($4M), Fisher ($4.4M), Ribeiro ($3.5M)
NJD- Zacha ($0.894M), Zajac ($5.75M), Henrique ($4M)
NYI- Tavares ($5.5M), Nelson ($2.5M), Strome ($2.5M)
NYR- Stepan ($6.5M), Zibanejad ($2.625M), Hayes ($2.6M)
OTT- Turris ($3.5M), Brassard ($5M), Kelly ($0.9M)
PHI- Giroux ($8.275M), Couturier ($4.33M), Bellemare ($0.712M)
PIT- Crosby ($8.7M), Malkin ($9.5M), Bonino ($1.9M)
SJS- Thornton ($6.75M), Couture ($6M), Tierney ($0.711M)
STL- Stastny ($7M), Scwhartz ($5.35M), Berglund ($3.7M)
TBL- Stamkos ($8.5M), Johnson ($3.33M), Filppula ($5M)
TOR- Matthews ($0.925M), Bozak ($4.2M), Kadri ($4.5M)
VAN- H. Sedin ($7.0M), Sutter ($4.375M), Horvat ($0.894)
WAS- Backstrom ($6.7M), Kuznetsov ($3M), Eller ($3.5M)
WPG- Scheifele ($6.125M), Perreault ($3M), Burmistrov ($1.55M)

Anyone notice something- namely, that NO third line center in the NHL makes $6M? Hell, save for Filppula in Tampa, no 3C makes over $4.5. Only three across the entire league carry a cap hit of $4M or more annually.

Clearly, it doesn't make fiscal sense to stick RNH on the third line. If the plan is anything other than to play him in the top six at his natural position, he should be traded immediately.

Unless you are winning and cap is not a problem.

 

[oilinblood]

Why would the Hurricanes trade a guy they used a top 5 pick on who's just now turning into an NHL player for another pick and an aging Hendricks? The Oilers shouldn't be looking for a 21 year old forward right now anyways. We have enough youth up front.

I'd try for a Jannik Hansen type up front if anything. Strong ES offensive production, fast two way player with elite penalty killing ability.

i think its fair to say that the oilers arent looking for forwards right now at all. deep deep deep.

 

[doulos]

If you're basing your lines on salary, and not on performance, then you deserve the lottery picks coming your way.

Chiarelli and McClellan never signed his contract. They only care to win games.

 

[oilinblood]

Unless you are winning and cap is not a problem.

what do you know....would you look at that....

i mean also, who in the world would have 3 different looking offensive lines...that certainly is strange and will never win a team a cup....

 

[Canovin]

Rakell would have been a good offer sheet pick up and then flip RNH for Trouba.

 

[Halibut]

Clearly, it doesn't make fiscal sense to stick RNH on the third line. If the plan is anything other than to play him in the top six at his natural position, he should be traded immediately.

You're right, nobody pays a 3rd line center $6 million. So why is anybody going to trade for one? He has to start producing for the team to get any value in a trade without retaining salary.