Olympics: Rumour: KHL following NHL,no KHL players either?

[Fantomas]

Want to see IOC's criteria for burden of proof? It is hilarious.

“…The standard of proof shall be whether the IOC has established an anti-doping rule violation to the comfortable satisfaction of the hearing panel bearing in mind the seriousness of the allegation which is made. This standard of proof in all cases is greater than a mere balance of probabilities but less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Where these Rules place the burden of proof upon the Athlete or other Person alleged to have committed an anti-doping rule violation to rebut a presumption or establish specified facts or circumstances, the standard of proof shall be by a balance of probabilities…”

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/ioc_adr_pyeongchang_2018_eng.pdf

In other words, accusations do not have to be proven - the panel just decides one way if it feels like it. None of this would hold up in a court of law. The IOC is controlled by unelected corrupt goons, who answer to no one but powerful interests with an axe to grind.

 

[RossiyaSport]

Yes anyone who is informed knows that. Unfortunately few are informed and can't understand this is a political attack by unhinged people who think attacking Russian athletes will "stick it to Russia/Putin".

This is why they push so hard for blanket banning no matter how illogical that is.

The McClaren Report is basically just propaganda that wouldn't hold water under scrutiny and is presented as the bible of evidence when it contains no real evidence. And how can something written by a Canadian that works for WADA be called independent.

Seriously, observe the people behind this attack on social media etc. They are off their rocker.

These attacks aren't going to achieve the goals they fantasize about. The main result will be a huge push to create a multi polar sports world and start building a sports apparatus outside of the control of the Western elite.

You are right. The latest Tygart and Melia scheme will be to pressure the IOC into banning people with no evidence. Its then used for propaganda. Then its fought in the CAS.

No evidence needed. Suspicion and muh Russia is now evidence.

 

[Atas2000]

They just banned the skiier Legkov without evidence of a positive sample. If this is going to continue I believe Russia needs to excuse itself from the Olympic process altogether.

They can just go ahead and give US all the medals.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[Jussi]

They just banned the skiier Legkov without evidence of a positive sample. If this is going to continue I believe Russia needs to excuse itself from the Olympic process altogether.

They can just go ahead and give US all the medals.

I don't know what exactly is the case with Legkov but several other Russian athletes have recently been cleared to compete.

 

[Fantomas]

I don't know what exactly is the case with Legkov but several other Russian athletes have recently been cleared to compete.

They appealed to the sporting court. Legkov will too.

 

[Jussi]

The McLaren report is a joke.

Those numbers are facts, not just out of the report. If it were a joke, so many Russian officials wouldn't have admitted guilt.

 

[Jussi]

They appealed to the sporting court. Legkov will too.

Based on the comments by the Finnish national cross country team coach about the Legkov and the German guy who's the coach the Russian national cross country team, he probably will win his appeal. Supposedly IOC felt Legkov was part of the doping scandal wher as Markus Cramer (the coach for Russian skiiers) says he wasn't.

 

[Fantomas]

Those numbers are facts, not just out of the report. If it were a joke, so many Russian officials wouldn't have admitted guilt.

The report relies almost entirely on the Rodchekov testimony plus nameless sources, without criticism. There was no opportunity given for other experts to question the claims (e.g., the scratches indicated tampering). And McLaren himself said that he made no effort to ask questions.

It is a completely one-sided report.

The baseless smearing of athletes like Legkov is the natural outcome of a report that concluded what it was supposed to.

 

[Jussi]

The report relies almost entirely on the Rodchekov testimony plus nameless sources, without criticism. There was no opportunity given for other experts to question the claims (e.g., the scratches indicated tampering). And McLaren himself said that he made no effort to ask questions.

It is a completely one-sided report.

The baseless smearing of athletes like Legkov is the natural outcome of a report that concluded what it was supposed to.

You're ignoring how many Russain athletes have tested positive in re-tests from Olympics and other events lately. It's okay to admit people running the sports programs have effed up big time, clean up the act and move on. It's not the fault of the clean athletes that they've been suspended as well but the people in charge. If they'e clean, they will be cleared.

 

[Atas2000]

You're ignoring how many Russain athletes have tested positive in re-tests from Olympics and other events lately. It's okay to admit people running the sports programs have effed up big time, clean up the act and move on. It's not the fault of the clean athletes that they've been suspended as well but the people in charge. If they'e clean, they will be cleared.

How many? How many Americans, Canadians, Brits were just "excused" by WADA after testing positive? How many Russians?

You are closing one eye here obviously.

And why should anybody admit something that never happened? I.e. people running the sports f... up. What did they do? Proof?

That's what you(the West) is trying to impose on us(Russia). We should feel sorry for the things we've never done. It looks idiotic and it smells bad. It is what it is, a politically motivated slander campaign among many others running against Russia right now.

Why can't the people responsible just admit it, apologize, repair the damage done and move on, eh?

Your arguments that clean athletes should somehow suffer while they did nothing wrong and it's okay is ridiculous. Their careers, maybe their lives might be ruined and you expect them to answer for wrongdoings of others THAT NEVER HAPPENED(proof or walk).

 

[Jussi]

How many? How many Americans, Canadians, Brits were just "excused" by WADA after testing positive? How many Russians?

You are closing one eye here obviously.

And why should anybody admit something that never happened? I.e. people running the sports f... up. What did they do? Proof?

That's what you(the West) is trying to impose on us(Russia). We should feel sorry for the things we've never done. It looks idiotic and it smells bad. It is what it is, a politically motivated slander campaign among many others running against Russia right now.

Why can't the people responsible just admit it, apologize, repair the damage done and move on, eh?

Your arguments that clean athletes should somehow suffer while they did nothing wrong and it's okay is ridiculous. Their careers, maybe their lives might be ruined and you expect them to answer for wrongdoings of others THAT NEVER HAPPENED(proof or walk).

First of all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/40818188

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/27/russian-officials-admit-athletes-doping-olympics

https://www.rbth.com/news/2017/02/1...lympic-medals-following-doping-retests_702126

http://www.skysports.com/more-sport...n-results-of-doping-re-tests-from-sochi-games

 

[Atas2000]

First of all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/40818188

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/27/russian-officials-admit-athletes-doping-olympics

https://www.rbth.com/news/2017/02/1...lympic-medals-following-doping-retests_702126

http://www.skysports.com/more-sport...n-results-of-doping-re-tests-from-sochi-games

Quoting wikipedia is bad taste.

It's not whataboutism to ask the same treatment for ALL athletes. You are disgracing yourself by trying to cover up this glaring core of the problem. I have no problem whatsoever with fighting doping in sports. Use the same stndards for everybody. Right now I see the athletes of certain coutries allowed to break any regulation without ANY punishment. In the worst case they apologize and are allowed to carry on like nothing happened. Russians are banned even if they weren't tested positive EVER. Facts.

Quoting BBC the Lies and Deceit Broadcasting Corp. is not even funny. Try credible sources.
Applies to others as well. Give me credible sources, not the western propaganda barking dogs.

 

[g00n]

Not enough credible evidence to back up the OP premise and a lot of unrelated doping talk.

Closed until something better comes out.