Rumor: Rumour and Proposal Thread: Now the fun begins

[TheNumber4]

His qualifying offer was $7.5M, he likely could of pushed for free agency if he wanted to, I'm not sure if VAN made the right decision, but I understand it would of been hard to part with someone who showed so much promise so early.

He wasn’t going to get qualified for that. The nucks didn’t want to lose his for nothing. I’d be surprised if he got close to 6.3M in free agency. He would have found a deal and it would have been an even bigger loss for the Nucks.

 

[BudBundy]

These aren't bluechip assets anymore. They're players now entering year 6 and year 7 of their respective professional careers. The potential of either player being described is heavily based on fantasy.

Both are very close to the point where they become overpriced depth players or they're allowed to walk as UFAs.

I understand the want to see RNH as the 3C, but it has frequently been shown that it just highlights the lack of wing depth possessed on the NHL roster. RNH requires an offensive driver like Hyman to really make his line any kind of consistent scoring threat. And the prospect of Edmonton shipping out guys like Kassian and Foegele for cheaper depth only lessens the likelihood RNH would ever find any of that support.

The likeliest place you'll find value in an individual player is in the top six. Because that's the easiest place on the Oilers for any single player to thrive statistically.

Exactly. Without bigger fast line mates, Nuge can’t really operate. JP and a good fast retrieval LW have a really good chance of becoming more than the sum of the parts.

 

[Broberg Speed]

After watching Colorado and Tampa Bay it should be obvious we need a major overhaul for the Oilers to get to the next level and become a contender. All prospects and picks should be on the table. We will have to burn through some assets to find cap relief like the contending teams are not shy to do. A good GM would be able to shake things up and improve the team focusing on areas of need. I don't trust Holland.

 

[TheNumber4]

After watching Colorado and Tampa Bay it should be obvious we need a major overhaul for the Oilers to get to the next level and become a contender. All prospects and picks should be on the table. We will have to burn through some assets to find cap relief like the contending teams are not shy to do. A good GM would be able to shake things up and improve the team focusing on areas of need. I don't trust Holland.

It’s a good thing picks are on the table then.

 

[PostBradMalone]

It’s a good thing picks are on the table then.

Are they? We've never seen a 1st dealt in the Holland era, and only twice has he given up a pick to acquire a player with term (the infamous Neal/Lucic trade and Keith for Jones/3rd). I fully expect him to select a player with our '22 pick, which would not at all be advisable given the current trajectory of this team.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

For American's it will always be.

I gather you speak for all Americans?

 

[McShogun99]

After watching Colorado and Tampa Bay it should be obvious we need a major overhaul for the Oilers to get to the next level and become a contender. All prospects and picks should be on the table. We will have to burn through some assets to find cap relief like the contending teams are not shy to do. A good GM would be able to shake things up and improve the team focusing on areas of need. I don't trust Holland.

We don't need a major overhaul. Just a starting goalie, tweak the bottom six and bottom 4 of the defence. Our top 6 is one of the best in the league. Holland should use this as a template;

xxx-Mcdavid-Yamamoto
Hyman-Draisaitl-xxx
xxx-RNH-xxx
xxx-Mcleod-xxx

These are the locks for the opening night roster, still available if they don't get traded are JP, Foegele, Kassian, Ryan. There's a chance that all these players won't be back and the forward holes will be filled by trade and UFA signings. There's also the chance that Holloway and XB make the team.

Nurse-Bouchard
xxx-Ceci
Keith-xxx

Keith isn't going anywhere so it's best he plays on the third pairing. Barrie will get traded. There's a chance that one of Broberg, Niemo or Samorukov make the opening night roster.

xxx
Skinner

Quick breakdown:

Needs: Starting goalie, 2 top six wingers, 4 bottom six wingers, 2nd pairing LD, 3rd pairing RD

Out of these 9 spots I think 5 of them get filled internally with 4 new players being added this offseason.

 

[CycloneSweep]

After watching Colorado and Tampa Bay it should be obvious we need a major overhaul for the Oilers to get to the next level and become a contender. All prospects and picks should be on the table. We will have to burn through some assets to find cap relief like the contending teams are not shy to do. A good GM would be able to shake things up and improve the team focusing on areas of need. I don't trust Holland.

Major overall? I’ve been over negative too but what about what you watched made you think we need a major overhaul? Forward wise we need to replace Kane and improve our 4th line and one 3rd liner spot.

Defence wise, we really mostly need to just add speed/defensive ability which could be had by moving on from Barrie and keeping/replacing Kulak to play above Keith.

Our biggest issue was on the back end and that can be massively different with 2 new players and progression from guys like Bouchard and dare I even say Broberg.

 

[belair]

After watching Colorado and Tampa Bay it should be obvious we need a major overhaul for the Oilers to get to the next level and become a contender. All prospects and picks should be on the table. We will have to burn through some assets to find cap relief like the contending teams are not shy to do. A good GM would be able to shake things up and improve the team focusing on areas of need. I don't trust Holland.

Contending teams do this after they've developed their competitive roster. They 'burn assets' on rentals and depth adds, not adding integral parts.

The Oilers don't require an 'overhaul', but the same gameplan as last season with Kane on board probably isn't going to work without him. So desperately trying to replace that goal production is a fools errand.

That unlikely add allowed us to hide the weaknesses that ultimately resulted in Dave Tippett being fired. Through two playoff series we overcame poor bottom six depth and fairly mediocre defensive structure.

Getting to Tampa or Colorado's level moving forward will happen by improving the team's depth through to the guys in the press box. A quiet night for McDavid and Draisaitl shouldn't be an automatic loss.

 

[CycloneSweep]

We don't need a major overhaul. Just a starting goalie, tweak the bottom six and bottom 4 of the defence. Our top 6 is one of the best in the league. Holland should use this as a template;

xxx-Mcdavid-Yamamoto
Hyman-Draisaitl-xxx
xxx-RNH-xxx
xxx-Mcleod-xxx

These are the locks for the opening night roster, still available if they don't get traded are JP, Foegele, Kassian, Ryan. There's a chance that all these players won't be back and the forward holes will be filled by trade and UFA signings. There's also the chance that Holloway and XB make the team.

Nurse-Bouchard
xxx-Ceci
Keith-xxx

Keith isn't going anywhere so it's best he plays on the third pairing. Barrie will get traded. There's a chance that one of Broberg, Niemo or Samorukov make the opening night roster.

xxx
Skinner

Quick breakdown:

Needs: Starting goalie, 2 top six wingers, 4 bottom six wingers, 2nd pairing LD, 3rd pairing RD

Out of these 9 spots I think 5 of them get filled internally with 4 new players being added this offseason.

They need to moneyball a new Toews to play with Nurse honestly lol.

Don’t think we could land either but I think guys like Zub, Cernak, Siegenthaler could be those guys.

 

[xoczar99ox]

Not even Woodcroft likes him

This is the first I’ve seen of this…what a r-word.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Looks like Kane stayed in town. Interesting.

 

[McSuper]

I gather you speak for all Americans?

As much as the guy posting what I replied to, about all players But hey please name the last American born player that signed here. Also please post all the Americans that don't have the Oilers on their NTC lists

 

[McDoused]

Out:

Kassian
Barrie
Puljujarvi
Keith (Traded and bought out)
Smith (LTIR)

In:

Kane @ 6
Campbell @ 5
Manson @ 4.5
Kulak @ 2.5
Keith @ 900k

Should all fit under the cap.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Other than Nurse and Drai was there any talk of other players injured in the playoffs?

I'm thinking maybe Foegle was hurt. He looked pretty good when we got him then lapsed then got hot again then played ok. When the playoffs started he played I think 1 game then was out for a bunch.

 

[TheNumber4]

Are they? We've never seen a 1st dealt in the Holland era, and only twice has he given up a pick to acquire a player with term (the infamous Neal/Lucic trade and Keith for Jones/3rd). I fully expect him to select a player with our '22 pick, which would not at all be advisable given the current trajectory of this team.

Reading the tea leaves with what Stauffer has said about everything and anything on the table to be creative I think it’s likely this is the year they are on the table.

For past years, thank god he didn’t deal them. The team was not close enough yet. Do you think a couple picks dealt last year or the year before would have gotten us over the Cup hump? Holland stated himself, he’d see where the team is at before dealing picks. We got to the final 4 and retained all 1st round picks. Could be a lot worse, we could have mortgaged the future like Treliving did only to be dominated and decimated by provincial rivals in the 2nd round.

 

[TheNumber4]

They need to moneyball a new Toews to play with Nurse honestly lol.

Don’t think we could land either but I think guys like Zub, Cernak, Siegenthaler could be those guys.

Yes this. We need to take a shot at an undervalued d-man out there. Unfortunately, the dude who’s been heading pro scouting for us is “retiring”. I hope Brad Holland has been identifying players and has something prepared. We’ll need a huge moneyball win.

Other than Nurse and Drai was there any talk of other players injured in the playoffs?

I'm thinking maybe Foegle was hurt. He looked pretty good when we got him then lapsed then got hot again then played ok. When the playoffs started he played I think 1 game then was out for a bunch.

Haven’t heard a report but there was one game I think in the LA series where looked to take a serious bump. I don’t hope that he was injured but i kind of hope his performance was the result of injury if that makes any sense.

 

[TheNumber4]

Looks like Kane stayed in town. Interesting.

That IS very interesting. Could have bolted by now and started a vacay by now. It’s a good sign. Please stay awhile longer Kane.

 

[belair]

Yes this. We need to take a shot at an undervalued d-man out there. Unfortunately, the dude who’s been heading pro scouting for us is “retiring”. I hope Brad Holland has been identifying players and has something prepared. We’ll need a huge moneyball win.

Like Ty Smith?

 

[McDoused]

Reading the tea leaves with what Stauffer has said about everything and anything on the table to be creative I think it’s likely this is the year they are on the table.

For past years, thank god he didn’t deal them. The team was not close enough yet. Do you think a couple picks dealt last year or the year before would have gotten us over the Cup hump? Holland stated himself, he’d see where the team is at before dealing picks. We got to the final 4 and retained all 1st round picks. Could be a lot worse, we could have mortgaged the future like Treliving did only to be dominated and decimated by provincial rivals in the 2nd round.

This was an all in year for Calgary.

On one hand Calgary has no choice but to overpay Gaudreau and Tkahuck. Without them they will take huge steps back.

One othe other hand they have 31M tied up in Lucic, Monahan, Toffoli, Coleman, Lindholm and Backlund.

 

[McDrai]

That IS very interesting. Could have bolted by now and started a vacay by now. It’s a good sign. Please stay awhile longer Kane.

I'm confident that we sign Kane as long as we don't hear about him building a house in Edmonton

 

[Arpeggio]

Kane still being here is a great sign. I mean I seriously doubt he flew in for the Brick tournament. At the very least him and his family enjoy the city enough not to immediately fly out of town once the season is over. It's nice to see guys stay in town as a fan.

 

[TheNumber4]

This was an all in year for Calgary.

On one hand Calgary has no choice but to overpay Gaudreau and Tkahuck. Without them they will take huge steps back.

One othe other hand they have 31M tied up in Lucic, Monahan, Toffoli, Coleman, Lindholm and Backlund.

I love that they went all in. Especially that Jarnkrok pick up . All those assets spent to bolster their offense at the deadline only to get smoked by the Oilers.

Then if Johnny walks they are going straight into a rebuild without any picks to do a proper rebuild. It’ll be glorious.

Like Ty Smith?

Touché . But no not him for aforementioned reasons atleast with that’ll be my opinion.

 

[TheNumber4]

Kane still being here is a great sign. I mean I seriously doubt he flew in for the Brick tournament. At the very least him and his family enjoy the city enough not to immediately fly out of town once the season is over. It's nice to see guys stay in town as a fan.

The one thing with Kane, sure he’s tasted American big cities and the lifestyles that can come with that. But he’s also tasted Winnipeg….

Add that to all the off ice troubles he’s gotten himself into… maybe he wants to just slow it down and focus on his career.

 

[McSuper]

Like Ty Smith?

I think if the NJD agree with their arm chair Gms we should trade Puljujarvi for Smith and McLeod. Bring in McLeod's brother, camaraderie is an important part of keeping the boys happy. I think that is the problem with Puljujarvi. He came in and couldn't speak english so he couldn't fit in. He probably still on the outside a little.