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[Soli]

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Think Ellis could be pried away from Nashville?

I'd love to acquire him and then just protect 8 players. Sekera, Klefbom, Larsson, Ellis, RNH, Eberle, Draisaitl and Lucic. Any of the exposed forwards or defenceman I'd be fine with losing.

He's not an untouchable on Nashville but would he be that big of an impact here today?

Are you content with Ellis as is for his price tag is another question.

They're going to want to protect - Johansen, Forsberg, Neal, Wilson, Arvidsson, Subban, Josi, Ekholm
Exposing - Ellis, and Wilson

You have them both protecting Wilson and exposing him. Did you mean Smith?

Alas, I think they'll expose both Wilson (disappointment since signing his big extension, on pace for 40 points) and Smith (11 points this year, on pace for 30ish again) rather than allow their only quality RHD after Subban to be picked up.

It's 7 and 3 or eight total.

No chance Wilson, Smith or Arvidsson gets protected over Ellis.

Offensive RHD, tough and $2.5m for two more years? He's pretty friggin' valuable.

Have you taken a look at Arvidsson's numbers this year?

He's their second leading scorer, trailing RyJo by 1 point.

It's close between Ellis and Smith imo, but Ellis' position and handedness probably gets him the nod.

Enormous value, he can run a PP and he's awesome at holding the line. Low cap hit, 25 years old.

The cost would be high for us, Nashville isn't rebuilding. We would have to overpay, especially being in the same conference. They don't want to help us.

The most realistic option without breaking the bank is likely Green. That seems to have the most consensus across the board. It all depends whether or not DET is willing to do a rebuild and where they are at by the TDL.

I agree. He fits the timeline, the pay structure and he isn't really expected to do a whole lot either. Just some really good depth.



RyJo/Neal/Forsberg/Arvidsson/Subban/Josi/Ekholm/Ellis

Craig Smith + Ellis for RNH + Benning/Reinhart

Would we? Would they?

Trade 1: RNH for Lehtera and Shattenkirk
Trade 2: Eberle, Gus, Ference for Ryan, Smith, Hammond
Trade 3: Fayne + 3rd '17 + 2nd '18 for Iginla

Lucic-McDavid-Ryan
Maroon-Draisaitl-Pitlick
Pouliot-Lehtera-Iginla
Smith-Letestu-Kassian
Hendricks Pakarinen

Sekera-Shattenkirk
Klefbom-Larsson
Russell-Davidson
Benning

Talbot
Hammond

Th Oilers improve overall team depth and defense, allowing Puljujarvi, Caggiula and Nurse (when healthy) to join Lander, Slepyshev and Beck in the A. Ryan was a much better player in the West than the East, and his style of play would fit McD like a glove. Even when not producing, he's a net GF player. Iggy adds some much-needed experience and leadership, while Lehtera and Smith are both faceoff specialists who can chip in on offense.

That's a lineup that could make real noise in the playoffs, and potentially win a round or two.

That Iginla deal LOL.

I dont think we can deal Fayne due to expansion rules..
If we trade him away we will have to expose one of Larsson or Klefbom to expansion draft.

Would expect something like

4th for Iginla with 50% retained + 3rd

IMO, Iginla has negative value right now in a cap world.

I would love for us to get him. Hendricks/Letestu/Iginla would be an epic line for McLellan to put out late in games to protect leads

I'm confused. If Eberle has no value according to your posts, how can he be traded?

That's like saying I have a car that is a write off. It doesn't run, won't even start and is so junky it costs me money to just store it...but the dealership down the street will give me 3 grand for it

EE's valuations feel way off to me across the board.

Agreed.

Pitlick should not be in the top 6.

It allows us to get out from under Fayne's deal a year early. What's so funny about that, or did you forget salary is a real thing in the real world?



Yes, we should definitely not try to improve our team due to the expansion draft. If only we could, I don't know, acquire a guy for future considerations merely to meet the requirements.



You're trying so hard to shove words in my mouth that I'm choking on your fingers. Try again little buddy.

Here is the fan base wanting to ship out all players who are slumping a bit in there career and all 26 and under . Yup Oilers way ship out at lowest value Schultz Gagner Dubnyk Yakupov let them become solid productive vets on other teams .

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[Jesus Take the Wheel]

From what I've seen Nashville posters say, Ellis is close to unmovable right now with how well he's playing. Also they'll probably protect 4 D including Ellis.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

All quiet now, with the Roster freeze.

Looking at the Isles and the Avs, those are places I would look with both of them having disastrous seasons.

Honestly, I would put on feelers on EJ. I know he's not likely available, but with things going so wrong, you never where they are at.

 

[Aceboogie]

I wonder how many struggling teams are going to make big moves in the offseason to emulate the Hall/Subban deals both which were losses in the publics eyes at the time but ended up sparking the team. Maybe GMs were a bit gun shy to do this before as they didnt want the backlash from such deals., But after seeing it somewhat work for 2 teams it will motivate them to make big moves as well.

I think Colorado is pretty much there right now and will be dealing Duchene in the offseason. Also maybe Huberdeau in Florida. Another one I just have feeling is going to happen is that Tavares is going to be dealt this offseason. Bad team + UFA in 2018- I think management might try and get max value for him, plus shake up the team in a massive way

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I wonder how many struggling teams are going to make big moves in the offseason to emulate the Hall/Subban deals both which were losses in the publics eyes at the time but ended up sparking the team. Maybe GMs were a bit gun shy to do this before as they didnt want the backlash from such deals., But after seeing it somewhat work for 2 teams it will motivate them to make big moves as well.

I think Colorado is pretty much there right now and will be dealing Duchene in the offseason. Also maybe Huberdeau in Florida. Another one I just have feeling is going to happen is that Tavares is going to be dealt this offseason. Bad team + UFA in 2018- I think management might try and get max value for him, plus shake up the team in a massive way

I don't think Tavares is resigning with NYI. He's saying all the right things in the media but when I watched him play this year it seems like he's going through the motions. Playing safe. Trying not to get hurt. ect. IMO he probably gets traded to a team on the cusp of being a cup contender for 1 yr then signing long term with another club.

 

[Mcnofool6110]

I wonder how many struggling teams are going to make big moves in the offseason to emulate the Hall/Subban deals both which were losses in the publics eyes at the time but ended up sparking the team. Maybe GMs were a bit gun shy to do this before as they didnt want the backlash from such deals., But after seeing it somewhat work for 2 teams it will motivate them to make big moves as well.

I think Colorado is pretty much there right now and will be dealing Duchene in the offseason. Also maybe Huberdeau in Florida. Another one I just have feeling is going to happen is that Tavares is going to be dealt this offseason. Bad team + UFA in 2018- I think management might try and get max value for him, plus shake up the team in a massive way

Of their oft injured guys, I reckon theyd move Bjugstad over a Huberdeau. Bjugstad's size and play style seems covered by Trochek and Barkov... Huberdeaus the bigger loss.

 

[Aceboogie]

I don't think Tavares is resigning with NYI. He's saying all the right things in the media but when I watched him play this year it seems like he's going through the motions. Playing safe. Trying not to get hurt. ect. IMO he probably gets traded to a team on the cusp of being a cup contender for 1 yr then signing long term with another club.

I think so to. This guy has been the go to guy for Isles for 6 years, basically doing everything. yet management has done nothing to build a support cast around him. This summer was probably the breaking point with letting 2 good players go and resigning an old crappy one for same money.

Look at it from Tavares POV, you come into the league as the next big thing, you have super high expectations and go on to have several elite seasons and even drag your team to playoffs. But 6/7 years later when you are entering your prime, all you have is 2 playoff appearances which you lost in 1st round (IIRC, too lazy to confirm). And its not like the future is much brighter for that team. Prospect pool is ok and young players are pretty meh. So for Tavares its pretty much now or never to establish your legacy and go to a competitive team

If I was Tavares id ask for a trade this offseason to like Montreal or some contender where 1c is the biggest area of need. Then in the 2018 offseason Id probably sign in my hometown of Toronto provided the Leafs have improved to a playoff bubble team or playoff team and start my legacy as the hero who brought biggest hockey market to contender status

 

[LMFAO]

Just tought about this

How about we trade Caleb Jones for Kaspari Kapanen ?

The Leafs needs some D prospect and Kapanen is ppg in the AHL at 20 years old

 

[Aceboogie]

Just tought about this

How about we trade Caleb Jones for Kaspari Kapanen ?

The Leafs needs some D prospect and Kapanen is ppg in the AHL at 20 years old

Meh. Kapanen is solid and all but im really high on Jones. Kapanen could maybe become an Eberle replacement. But Jones looks to be another Petry and a replacement for Sekera in the future IMO. Id rather have the defensive depth that overkill the forwards

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Just tought about this

How about we trade Caleb Jones for Kaspari Kapanen ?

The Leafs needs some D prospect and Kapanen is ppg in the AHL at 20 years old

We need D prospects too. Griffin Reinhart isnt going to save us.

 

[dustrock]

Roster freeze is tonight? I'm assuming nothing will happen today.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I wonder what Vanek would cost from Det. With Pitlick going down we could use another winger, Vanek is having a pretty good season, he's a veteran guy who can shoot and can finish. Playing with McDavid and or Drai might breath some life back into him, they could probably squeeze the last bit of hockey out of him maybe he gets back to a 30G scorer.

 

[Soundwave]

I think so to. This guy has been the go to guy for Isles for 6 years, basically doing everything. yet management has done nothing to build a support cast around him. This summer was probably the breaking point with letting 2 good players go and resigning an old crappy one for same money.

Look at it from Tavares POV, you come into the league as the next big thing, you have super high expectations and go on to have several elite seasons and even drag your team to playoffs. But 6/7 years later when you are entering your prime, all you have is 2 playoff appearances which you lost in 1st round (IIRC, too lazy to confirm). And its not like the future is much brighter for that team. Prospect pool is ok and young players are pretty meh. So for Tavares its pretty much now or never to establish your legacy and go to a competitive team

If I was Tavares id ask for a trade this offseason to like Montreal or some contender where 1c is the biggest area of need. Then in the 2018 offseason Id probably sign in my hometown of Toronto provided the Leafs have improved to a playoff bubble team or playoff team and start my legacy as the hero who brought biggest hockey market to contender status

I hear that McDavid kid is pretty good. Come to Edmonton JT.

 

[belair]

I wonder what Vanek would cost from Det. With Pitlick going down we could use another winger, Vanek is having a pretty good season, he's a veteran guy who can shoot and can finish. Playing with McDavid and or Drai might breath some life back into him, they could probably squeeze the last bit of hockey out of him maybe he gets back to a 30G scorer.

Been pushing for him for a while.

Our 1st and some prospects (and a bit of salary) on the table for him and Green would put us in pretty good shape moving forward.

Detroit's a one stop shop.

 

[Soundwave]

Does Kevin Lowe still have some Vanek Oiler jerseys lying around?

I remember wanting that offer sheet to go through so bad

 

[Spawn]

Been pushing for him for a while.

Our 1st and some prospects (and a bit of salary) on the table for him and Green would put us in pretty good shape moving forward.

Detroit's a one stop shop.

I can't see Detroit selling until they're 100% eliminated from playoff contention. Not while they still have Zetterberg and Kronwall on their team, and not while their playoff streak remains alive.

They're only 5 points out of 3rd in their division with a game in hand on Boston. They're obviously a long shot still, but Holland isn't moving anyone out until it's a sure thing. And I doubt he moves out Green at all this year even if they are eliminated from contention before the deadline.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Yeah I agree its time to try to grab assets from Avs or Isles. I think Tyson Barrie could still be a huge add to this team, even though Avs fans have had some bad things to say about him. A offensive, power play specialist would be an awesome addition to this team, and you can never have too many puck movers.

What do you guys think is fair value for him?

 

[Blitzago*]

Yeah I agree its time to try to grab assets from Avs or Isles. I think Tyson Barrie could still be a huge add to this team, even though Avs fans have had some bad things to say about him. A offensive, power play specialist would be an awesome addition to this team, and you can never have too many puck movers.

What do you guys think is fair value for him?

Isnt barrie a better 5on5 offensive d man than a powerplay specialist?

 

[belair]

I can't see Detroit selling until they're 100% eliminated from playoff contention. Not while they still have Zetterberg and Kronwall on their team, and not while their playoff streak remains alive.

They're only 5 points out of 3rd in their division with a game in hand on Boston. They're obviously a long shot still, but Holland isn't moving anyone out until it's a sure thing. And I doubt he moves out Green at all this year even if they are eliminated from contention before the deadline.

I don't think anything would happen until January but it's not looking good for Detroit.

From our POV, loading up early would put this team into high gear and prevent us from scrambling at the deadline. The extra year on Green's deal makes losing that 1st palatable.

 

[Soundwave]

Detroit has a record playoff streak and an ownership that's trying to sell season ticket renewals for a shiny new arena next year, no way they're selling under the day of the deadline if then IMO.

Mike Green may be a viable option but not until deadline day itself IMO.

 

[Spawn]

Detroit has a record playoff streak and an ownership that's trying to sell season ticket renewals for a shiny new arena next year, no way they're selling under the day of the deadline if then IMO.

Mike Green may be a viable option but not until deadline day itself IMO.

I kind of don't think until deadline day next season tbh.

Detroit isn't going to embrace a rebuild while Zetterberg/Kronwall are there. It's going to be the same as the Canucks/Sedins.

 

[belair]

Who knows? Clearing the Mike Green cap could put them in contention for Shattenkirk in free agency in the summer. If they're not contenders this year, nobody's expecting them to be next year with their cap situation.

 

[Spawn]

Who knows? Clearing the Mike Green cap could put them in contention for Shattenkirk in free agency in the summer. If they're not contenders this year, nobody's expecting them to be next year with their cap situation.

They haven't been contenders for years. I just think Holland is going to be loyal to the guys who have helped him win cups. Zetterberg/Kronwall are the last remaining parts of those great Red Wing teams.

I donno. Maybe I'm wrong. But right now it just seems like wishful thinking.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Been pushing for him for a while.

Our 1st and some prospects (and a bit of salary) on the table for him and Green would put us in pretty good shape moving forward.

Detroit's a one stop shop.

He better not cost that much. Prospect forward and middling pick is about as high as I would go.

 

[joestevens29]

He better not cost that much. Prospect forward and middling pick is about as high as I would go.

He's a 40 point d-man playing 24 minutes a night. He's going to cost a lot more than that.

Green is a top pairing d-man still. He isn't going to be cheap. Still don't think Detroit moves him unless they get a real good package.