Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread: This is NOT the Hall for Larsson Thread (Read OP)

[Bryanbryoil]

There is a thread to discuss the Hall and Larsson trade, this thread is NOT it.

Any derailing of this thread resulting from Larsson and Hall stuff will earn an automatic infraction for thread derailing and a thread ban.

This is a thread for RUMORS and PROPOSALS.

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[samiam]

Barring anything going down in July/August, would anyone be interested in signing Brandon Prust to a training camp PTO?
Extra sandpaper on the 4th line is never a bad thing.

 

[OutForMilk]

Barring anything going down in July/August, would anyone be interested in signing Brandon Prust to a training camp PTO?
Extra sandpaper on the 4th line is never a bad thing.

Aren't we already 'sandpapered up' this offseason? IMO, a RH 3/4th line center might make more sense, as opposed to a winger.

 

[McOvechking]

Aren't we already 'sandpapered up' this offseason? IMO, a RH 3/4th line center might make more sense, as opposed to a winger.

Letestu?

 

[OutForMilk]

Letestu?

I was thinking more Lander upgrade. IMO, its a likelihood that the plan involves Draisaitl and/or RNH to play quite a lot of wing on the top 6 as opposed to one of them being our 3rd line center.

 

[Jet Walters]

Yak, Reinhart, Fayne, 2017 1st for Edler, Hansen, 2017 3rd (if Benning hasn't already traded it away.)

Sign Luke Schenn

Lucic McDavid Eberle
Maroon RNH Puljujarvi
Pouliot Draisaitl Hansen
Hendricks Letestu Kassian
Lander Pakarinen

Klefbom Larsson
Edler Sekera
Davidson Schenn
Oesterle

Talbot
Gustavsson

 

[The Nuge]

Aren't we already 'sandpapered up' this offseason? IMO, a RH 3/4th line center might make more sense, as opposed to a winger.

As a 12/13/14 guy, it doesn't hurt. He's also someone who used to play on the PK a fair bit iirc. I'd definitely like another center though

 

[OutForMilk]

As a 12/13/14 guy, it doesn't hurt. He's also someone who used to play on the PK a fair bit iirc. I'd definitely like another center though

At this point, how much better is Prust, than say, Khaira? At least, to Edm's point of view? Khaira at least can play center and is cheap, the cap due to all the ELC bonuses is an issue, and NHL teams tend to like to leave those last couple spots open for their own home grown players.

 

[McFlyingV]

At this point, how much better is Prust, than say, Khaira? At least, to Edm's point of view? Khaira at least can play center and is cheap, the cap due to all the ELC bonuses is an issue, and NHL teams tend to like to leave those last couple spots open for their own home grown players.

Prust is done imo. Khaira at worst will be a good 4th liner with a good shutdown game imo. We'll see if the offence comes. I'm perfectly fine with our forward group as it stands and would prefer that we ran McD-Nuge-Drai-Letestu/Lander/Hendricks up the middle (switching the 4th line centre as needed with injuries/performance). I think we have good enough pieces with Kassian able to move up into the top 9 for stretches and Khaira/Caggiula/Pitlick/Slepyshev all with potential to be knocking on the door and fill roles in the bottom to middle 6.

I'd like to add another puck moving RHD with a bomb from the point, but I'm not sure how likely that is. Haven't really looked at whats left in FA besides Wisniewski.

 

[Apathetic]

At this point, how much better is Prust, than say, Khaira? At least, to Edm's point of view? Khaira at least can play center and is cheap, the cap due to all the ELC bonuses is an issue, and NHL teams tend to like to leave those last couple spots open for their own home grown players.

I don't think Khaira has many bonus's structured into his contract, generally low round picks don't get them do they? On general fanager his AAV is like 900k where as McDavids for example is 3.775 and Leon's is 3.4.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I'm a bit surprised that it seems like the majority of the forwards remain intact.

The only guys that are leaving our top 13 are Hall and Korpikoski.

RNH, Eberle, Letestu, Yakupov, Lander, Draisaitl, Kassian, Pakarinen, Hendricks, Pouliot and of course McDavid.

I'll admit, I expected a bit more turnover.

 

[OutForMilk]

I don't think Khaira has many bonus's structured into his contract, generally low round picks don't get them do they? On general fanager his AAV is like 900k where as McDavids for example is 3.775 and Leon's is 3.4.

Its the other players bonuses that I meant, sorry. Mcd, Leon, Nurse, Reinhart, Pulju, etc already add up to the point that any outside contracts(like Prust) need to be pretty cheap, and they have to count. Khaira has inherent value to Edm in that he has no bonuses, and his base contract is cheap and already on the books.

 

[The Safe Play]

I would see about signing Vrbata for cheaper and letting Puljujärvi play in the AHL for a year. Vrbata ran some terrible luck last year.

 

[McFlyingV]

The cap bonuses aren't really a huge issue tbh. I'd bet only one of Nurse or Reinhart will play enough NHL games to even be eligible for bonuses (42GP). Nurse only has Schedule A bonuses which is a max of 850k and really he only has a chance at 637.5k of that unless he somehow magically is named to the NHL all-star team, or puts up more offence than anyone on our team has in a while from the backend. Reinhart has schedule B bonuses but I'm not sure exactly what they are. Needless to say Schedule B bonuses are usually things like top 10 in points, top 5 in voting for Norris, first or 2nd all star team, so I think its safe to say he won't be getting those. McDavid you could pretty much pencil in to get all 2.85M of his bonuses and maybe Draisaitl to get all his schedule A bonuses (850k) and even thats a huge maybe, but again I doubt that Draisaitl gets any of his Schedule B bonuses unless he somehow manages to be top 10 in league scoring or top 5 in Hart/Selke voting. Pool party will likely be the same could get all Schedule A (also a huge maybe), but likely not any Schedule B unless he wins the Calder.

So we'd be looking at something like:
McDavid - 2.85M
Draisaitl - 850k
Nurse - 637.5k
Puljujarvi - 850k
= ~ 5.2M

So even if Reinhart hit his schedule A bonuses thats still only ~6M, and if Pulju won Calder add probably around another 1.5M based off same draft position as Reinhart. At the most absolute worst and unlikely scenario in my mind we get hit with 7.5M in bonuses. So with 9.2M cap space atm I think we'd still have about 4M to spend if we wanted and be fairly safe, or 1.7M in the worst scenario. The team could also easily avoid a lot of these potential bonuses just by making certain guys spend some time in the AHL.

Slepyshev also has 600k in bonuses, but I'm not sure the parameters and I'd doubt that he will meet them.

 

[tinfish]

I'm a bit surprised that it seems like the majority of the forwards remain intact.

The only guys that are leaving our top 13 are Hall and Korpikoski.

RNH, Eberle, Letestu, Yakupov, Lander, Draisaitl, Kassian, Pakarinen, Hendricks, Pouliot and of course McDavid.

I'll admit, I expected a bit more turnover.

This summer we've only added Lucic, and Puljujarvi, but if you compare our opening day line up from this last year compared to this year there are some other big changes. Purcell is out. Maroon and Kassian are in, and I believe Draisaitl was in the minors to start the year. That's 5 big strong players that will be on our opening line up this year.

 

[McFlyingV]

This summer we've only added Lucic, and Puljujarvi, but if you compare our opening day line up from this last year compared to this year there are some other big changes. Purcell is out. Maroon and Kassian are in, and I believe Draisaitl was in the minors to start the year. That's 5 big strong players that will be on our opening line up this year.

Pouliot-Nuge-Purcell
Hall-McDavid-Slepyshev
Korpikoski-Lander-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Klinkhammer

Sekera-Fayne
Klefbom-Schultz
Reinhart-Gryba

Talbot
Nilsson

(Eberle injured)

Vs.

Lucic-McDavid-Yakupov
Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle
Maroon-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Davidson
Nurse-Fayne/Reinhart/Oesterle

Talbot
The Monster


I think I know which line-up I'd take.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I'm a bit surprised that it seems like the majority of the forwards remain intact.

The only guys that are leaving our top 13 are Hall and Korpikoski.

RNH, Eberle, Letestu, Yakupov, Lander, Draisaitl, Kassian, Pakarinen, Hendricks, Pouliot and of course McDavid.

I'll admit, I expected a bit more turnover.

I'm thinking that we maybe waiting on some deals until the Barrie situation unfolds one way or another.

 

[tinfish]

Pouliot-Nuge-Purcell
Hall-McDavid-Slepyshev
Korpikoski-Lander-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Klinkhammer

Sekera-Fayne
Klefbom-Schultz
Reinhart-Gryba

Talbot
Nilsson

(Eberle injured)

Vs.

Lucic-McDavid-Yakupov
Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle
Maroon-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Davidson
Nurse-Fayne/Reinhart/Oesterle

Talbot
The Monster


I think I know which line-up I'd take.

Thanks for this. I wanted to do somthing similar, but I couldn't find our opening day roster. I think it shows some very positive changes in the make up of the team.

 

[tinfish]

I'm thinking that we maybe waiting on some deals until the Barrie situation unfolds one way or another.

I'm fine with moving on. RNH is a non-starter for me. If they want a deal around Eberle I'd talk. Otherwise I'd go into the season with Davidson and Sekera as our 2nd pairing, and wait for a rd to shake loose next season .

 

[McFlyingV]

Thanks for this. I wanted to do somthing similar, but I couldn't find our opening day roster. I think it shows some very positive changes in the make up of the team.

I got it from the GDT from the season opener as I couldn't completely remember the lineup myself. I think the opening night roster as it currently stands (barring any more trades or training camp surprises) is better at every position than the opening night roster last year and the team balance between skill, size and physicality is significantly better. I think we will be a much much better puck possession team this year.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Yak, Reinhart, Fayne, 2017 1st for Edler, Hansen, 2017 3rd (if Benning hasn't already traded it away.)

Sign Luke Schenn

Lucic McDavid Eberle
Maroon RNH Puljujarvi
Pouliot Draisaitl Hansen
Hendricks Letestu Kassian
Lander Pakarinen

Klefbom Larsson
Edler Sekera
Davidson Schenn
Oesterle

Talbot
Gustavsson

Canuck lover.

 

[tinfish]

I got it from the GDT from the season opener as I couldn't completely remember the lineup myself. I think the opening night roster as it currently stands (barring any more trades or training camp surprises) is better at every position than the opening night roster last year and the team balance between skill, size and physicality is significantly better. I think we will be a much much better puck possession team this year.

Yikes! That right wing on that roster lol. I know ebs was hurt, but that's awful. LD is unchanged really. LW, RW, C are vastly improved. RD isn't great yet, but I'll take Larsson, and Sekera over Fayne and Schultz all day in the top 4.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Pouliot-Nuge-Purcell
Hall-McDavid-Slepyshev
Korpikoski-Lander-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Klinkhammer

Sekera-Fayne
Klefbom-Schultz
Reinhart-Gryba

Talbot
Nilsson

(Eberle injured)

Vs.

Lucic-McDavid-Yakupov
Pouliot-Nuge-Eberle
Maroon-Draisaitl-Puljujarvi
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Davidson
Nurse-Fayne/Reinhart/Oesterle

Talbot
The Monster


I think I know which line-up I'd take.

The additions from Chiarelli in 15 months on the job.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Yak, Reinhart, Fayne, 2017 1st for Edler, Hansen, 2017 3rd (if Benning hasn't already traded it away.)

Sign Luke Schenn

Lucic McDavid Eberle
Maroon RNH Puljujarvi
Pouliot Draisaitl Hansen
Hendricks Letestu Kassian
Lander Pakarinen

Klefbom Larsson
Edler Sekera
Davidson Schenn
Oesterle

Talbot
Gustavsson

Luke Schenn is pretty awful, best not to consider him at this point. I know people are attached to him because of previous hype, but he's not that player.

I also just wouldn't hand Vancouver that many assets just because.

 

[frag2]

The additions from Chiarelli in 15 months on the job.

To be fair, Chiarelli didn't "add" McDavid...I'm sure any manager wouldve done the same. I would say credit goes to MacT for ****ing the team over so badly that we lucked into getting McDavid