Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVIII: Big Trouba in Little Winnipeg

[GoAwayPanarin]

Virtanen's shoulder surgery destroyed the only real NHL skill he had outside of skating well and hitting people. Had a laser of a shot and it's just not there anymore.

While true, there is still a lot of value in a guy who does the things that he does well.

His floor is pretty high and I think he would look pretty damn good playing with Hayes.

 

[Rangers in 7]

While true, there is still a lot of value in a guy who does the things that he does well.

His floor is pretty high and I think he would look pretty damn good playing with Hayes.

i would take a flyer on him, but thats just me

 

[Cassano]

I'm not saying he played well yesterday, but considering he was on the ice for 1 goal for and 1 goal against yesterday, I find it hard to believe that Zibanejad single-handedly cost the Rangers the game...

No idea why the witch hunt is out for him.

 

[Cassano]

While true, there is still a lot of value in a guy who does the things that he does well.

His floor is pretty high and I think he would look pretty damn good playing with Hayes.

He probably needs 1-2 seasons in the AHL alone before he can even think about cracking this roster imo.

 

[silverfish]

No idea why the witch hunt is out for him.

Because he isn't scoring.

Generating chances? Yes. Converting? No.

Reunite KZB and I'd put money on him scoring the game they're back together.

Also, put Clendening on PP1.

 

[Cassano]

Well, assuming one of G/Staal aren't bought out, Klein is being exposed to the expansion draft. It's when one of them waives/gets bought out that it gets interesting.

So either both Klein/Holden go unprotected, or potentially only one of them.

I don't think he's worth protecting over the other forwards the team has.

 

[Irishguy42]

I don't think he's worth protecting over the other forwards the team has.

I agree.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Almost at 1,000 good we can finally lay the trouba titles to rest

 

[RGY]

Witch hunt?

I didnt say trade Zib.

But he hasnt played well. He hasnt generated that many chances and he has had an incredibly difficulty time hitting the net with the one timer.

Is he exempt from criticism? Did i miss something?

 

[Irishguy42]

Almost at 1,000 good we can finally lay the trouba titles to rest

Not with that attitude.

 

[Cassano]

Waiting for the "Zib is better than Stepan" crowd to chime in. I love Zbad, but he's no where near as consistent as Step at this point, hopefully he develops to be better. I get the Zibanejad love though, much flashier player.

The only way I trade Stepan is in a package to get one of the 19 or so centers that are better than he is, and those players rarely move.

Zibanejad has all the tools that IMO consider him to be superior to Stepan in most aspects of the game. Skating, shooting, physicality are all in his favor. He generates more high percentage scoring chances and generates more chances in general per shift. This is shifting to more of a skating league and I think that's where Zibanejad is a far more valuable player going forward. Just my .02.

 

[Mikos87]

Zibby is not mature in the sense that he lacks an emotional consistency out there.

Just hit the ****ing net and play like a thoroughbred out there.

 

[darko]

Zibanejad has all the tools that IMO consider him to be superior to Stepan in most aspects of the game. Skating, shooting, physicality are all in his favor. He generates more high percentage scoring chances and generates more chances in general per shift. This is shifting to more of a skating league and I think that's where Zibanejad is a far more valuable player going forward. Just my .02.

Agree.

Stepan is 26 and players at that age are most likely all they can be (there are exceptions). Ziba is 3 years younger and still has plenty of developing.

 

[bernmeister]

I'm confused for Franson's name keeps coming up in posts but he used to be persona non grata on this board.

Wow! some posts back you were concerned about posters looking shown up because of my vocabulary. I said there was no intentional diss and wuz just being accurate. Said further to the effect I am sure you would show yourself to be erudite. Thanks for proving me right, and your concerns misplaced.

Honest question, do you even watch the games?

As often as possible, yes.

There is most likely a plan to move on from these guys. Dallas or Calgary seem ripe for a Staal trade, and Girardi could be traded at 50% to pretty much anywhere at this point.
So sad

Dallas - show me
Calgary - I see the dots, just have to connect, prob as a piece for Hamilton
G - not so easy and esp to 'anywhere'.

Virtanen's shoulder surgery destroyed the only real NHL skill he had outside of skating well and hitting people. Had a laser of a shot and it's just not there anymore.

So logic says if we think we can eventually have his shoulder substantially recovered, even if it takes a yr -2 rehabbing, he is worth checking out if they let him go for peanuts. Otherwise, dead end waste

Which is why it is stupid to trade him. It will seriously hurt our offensive depth if we get rid of him

Objectively, this is wrong. It is emotional, not rationale.
It could be brilliant or stupid to deal him depending upon the return, to which you obviously have no open mind considering.
We have ample O depth via F atm

Because he isn't scoring.
Generating chances? Yes. Converting? No.
Reunite KZB and I'd put money on him scoring the game they're back together.

Also, put Clendening on PP1.

correct,
they have physical skills that complement x factor chemistry

Zibanejad has all the tools that IMO consider him to be superior to Stepan in most aspects of the game. Skating, shooting, physicality are all in his favor. He generates more high percentage scoring chances and generates more chances in general per shift. This is shifting to more of a skating league and I think that's where Zibanejad is a far more valuable player going forward. Just my .02.

Agree.
Stepan is 26 and players at that age are most likely all they can be (there are exceptions). Ziba is 3 years younger and still has plenty of developing.

Concur x2

 

[Cassano]

Gardner McKay mentioned this on the Trades board, but the Isles have a lot of pieces the Rangers could use and the Rangers have pieces the Isles could use. It's too bad they're divisional rivals - otherwise they would've made good trade partners.

 

[Irishguy42]

Interesting Top 6 lines. Not much surprising about Bottom 6.

 

[silverfish]

Interesting Top 6 lines. Not much surprising about Bottom 6.

Why doesn't this guy just reunite KZB? I don't understand. Zucc and Zibanejad have zero chemistry.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Interesting Top 6 lines. Not much surprising about Bottom 6.

I dont get it. Skjei is a kid and has been great on the left. Just leave him alone.

If Holden can't handle RHD, he can sit and Clendening can play.

 

[Irishguy42]

Why doesn't this guy just reunite KZB? I don't understand. Zucc and Zibanejad have zero chemistry.

He might not like what he's been seeing from Zibanejad+Kreider more than what he's seen from Zibanejad+Zucc.

Changing it up in any way he can just to see if he can get something going.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Interesting Top 6 lines. Not much surprising about Bottom 6.

Why does AV keep playing Zucc with Zibby? It's not working.

 

[Kovalev27]

I like the skjei move guy needs more mins and Staal needs a better skating puck mover with him. Skjei is one of our top 3 D should be playing in top 4

As far as the forwards go you can do a lot with that top 9 and it would be hard to complain who's slotted where. Very interchangeable won't go nuts on that.

 

[Irishguy42]

I dont get it. Skjei is a kid and has been great on the left. Just leave him alone.

The organization has pretty much always wanted him on the right but know he can play well on either side.

 

[silverfish]

He might not like what he's been seeing from Zibanejad+Kreider more than what he's seen from Zibanejad+Zucc.

Changing it up in any way he can just to see if he can get something going.

Thought process there should be:

KZB was excellent
KZZ was not great

Maybe I should try KZB again.

Anyway, doesn't surprise me that AV broke this up and never tried it again. That's his MO (see: Stalberg - Staal - Lindberg; Yandle - McIlrath; Staal - Clendening)

 

[aufheben]

Nice to see Mr Brady get a little promotion.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Gardner McKay mentioned this on the Trades board, but the Isles have a lot of pieces the Rangers could use and the Rangers have pieces the Isles could use. It's too bad they're divisional rivals - otherwise they would've made good trade partners.

Once in a while I do get things right. Thanks for the credit.

They have a wealth of young defensemen. They desperately need forwards. I would be petrified to trade Zuccarello to the Islanders and see him score 80+ points playing with Tavares. However, we could likely fix our defensive problems by making that trade.