Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[McRanger92]

Carolina has $27 mil to work with this summer but this is a team that may have a short window to win in. This summer they have RFA's Necas, Jarvis and Drury and UFA's Guentzel, Teravainen, Noesen, Martinook and half their defense Skjei, Pesce, Chatfield and DeAngelo. The summer before 25-26 UFA's Kuznetsov, Fast, Lemieux and the other half of their defense Burns, Slavin and Orlov + Andersen. Re-signing just Necas and Jarvis this summer should at least eat half of that $27 million. They're looking then at re-signing their entire defense corps over this summer and next + Teravainen + Guentzel +++++ and it doesn't stop for 25-26. They're going to bleed some really good players over the next two summers.

I bet Guentzel tries to find his way back to Pittsburgh. I doubt Carolina gives him the contract he wants.

 

[MrAlmost]

Carolina will be ok. They have some good prospects to backfill with. They will be good for a while.

 

[Savant]

Carolina is going to have to worry about Seattle trying to take RBA and his staff

 

[eco's bones]

I bet Guentzel tries to find his way back to Pittsburgh. I doubt Carolina gives him the contract he wants.

It could happen and I still think that Crosby is going to be a great player for a couple more seasons but guys like Malkin and Letang are showing their age more and more and Karlsson underwhelmed their expectations. The goaltending is unsettled and the state of their development system not very good. They've missed the playoffs the last two years and I think they're less than 50/50 even with Guentzel next year. He'll have term with his next deal and they won't be moving him even as the team ages out more. Objectively Pittsburgh is not likely to be a good team next year or for the next several years. Guentzel can make a lot of money wherever he goes but if he goes back to Pittsburgh he might be kissing goodbye to any chance of being in the playoffs again before he retires. The Penguins aren't all that far away from being a bottom feeder in the next couple years.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

It could happen and I still think that Crosby is going to be a great player for a couple more seasons but guys like Malkin and Letang are showing their age more and more and Karlsson underwhelmed their expectations. The goaltending is unsettled and the state of their development system not very good. They've missed the playoffs the last two years and I think they're less than 50/50 even with Guentzel next year. He'll have term with his next deal and they won't be moving him even as the team ages out more. Objectively Pittsburgh is not likely to be a good team next year or for the next several years. Guentzel can make a lot of money wherever he goes but if he goes back to Pittsburgh he might be kissing goodbye to any chance of being in the playoffs again before he retires. The Penguins aren't all that far away from being a bottom feeder in the next couple years.

If they were smart they would have started the rebuild already, considering its likely they wont trade Sidney and have him retire there. So he shouldnt be considered an asset.

Hes the type of competitor/athlete that will likely stay on a year or two past when he should hang them up. He'll still be effective though, just not dominant. He'll hang around to be a leader for the new crop of talent. And that could be anywhere from 4-6 seasons imho. I could see him playing until 40 and possibly even 41 or 42. He'll be 37 to start next season.

 

[eco's bones]

If they were smart they would have started the rebuild already, considering its likely they wont trade Sidney and have him retire there. So he shouldnt be considered an asset.

Hes the type of competitor/athlete that will likely stay on a year or two past when he should hang them up. He'll still be effective though, just not dominant. And that could be anywhere from 4-6 years imho. I could see him playing until 40 and possibly even 41 or 42 and that would be another 6-7 seasons.

Next year will be Crosby's contract year too. If he maintains his game at the deadline he gets the Pens at least 4 really good assets. A playoff bound team adding him to their roster almost automatically is going to be a really serious contender. He'd easily be our second most dangerous forward right now and best all around forward. He's really good at everything.....not just offense and he's as good a leader as there is around the league. He hasn't lost very much. His team has declined a lot more than he has. The Pens need to rebuild and if Sidney wants to continue his career past next year it would be smarter for him to do what Patrick Kane did. Find another team that at least has some kind of chance.

I was looking at the Pens board this morning and they don't quite see yet. They're let's move Marcus Pettersson and Reilly Smith and this guy and that guy......but not Crosby. But Crosby isn't capable of lifting that entire franchise over the finish line. Their team is too far gone and having him hang around several more years while they're rebuilding will be just wasting him as an asset. They need a start over and hanging on to the past isn't the way to do that.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Next year will be Crosby's contract year too. If he maintains his game at the deadline he gets the Pens at least 4 really good assets. A playoff bound team adding him to their roster almost automatically is going to be a really serious contender. He'd easily be our second most dangerous forward right now and best all around forward. He's really good at everything.....not just offense and he's as good a leader as there is around the league. He hasn't lost very much. His team has declined a lot more than he has. The Pens need to rebuild and if Sidney wants to continue his career past next year it would be smarter for him to do what Patrick Kane did. Find another team that at least has some kind of chance.

If they move him it’ll be out west.

 

[eco's bones]

If they move him it’ll be out west.

All things being equal yes.....but you've got to get the most you can for him and trading Crosby would really signal the Pens are all in on a rebuild meaning it doesn't matter what team he goes to they're not going to be contending for a while.

Also the team trading for him no doubt is going to want to work into the deal a new contract. So his approval of his destination will be part of any trade.

 

[IDvsEGO]

All things being equal yes.....but you've got to get the most you can for him and trading Crosby would really signal the Pens are all in on a rebuild meaning it doesn't matter what team he goes to they're not going to be contending for a while.

Also the team trading for him no doubt is going to want to work into the deal a new contract. So his approval of his destination will be part of any trade.

sure but crosby has to approve the deal.
I cant see him moving except for a team like colorado or edmonton. He plays with who he wants to play with, and believes will win another few cups.

 

[JCProdigy]

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A more accurate representation I believe:

 

[haohmaru]

Carolina has $27 mil to work with this summer but this is a team that may have a short window to win in. This summer they have RFA's Necas, Jarvis and Drury and UFA's Guentzel, Teravainen, Noesen, Martinook and half their defense Skjei, Pesce, Chatfield and DeAngelo. The summer before 25-26 UFA's Kuznetsov, Fast, Lemieux and the other half of their defense Burns, Slavin and Orlov + Andersen. Re-signing just Necas and Jarvis this summer should at least eat half of that $27 million. They're looking then at re-signing their entire defense corps over this summer and next + Teravainen + Guentzel +++++ and it doesn't stop for 25-26. They're going to bleed some really good players over the next two summers.

^ that’s precisely why they went all in, for once, on Guentzel.

 

[noncents]

sure but crosby has to approve the deal.
I cant see him moving except for a team like colorado or edmonton. He plays with who he wants to play with, and believes will win another few cups.

adding crosby as 2C on edmonton would be filthy lmao

 

[IDvsEGO]

adding crosby as 2C on edmonton would be filthy lmao

Any team where he’s the 2c is filthy.

 

[Peltz]

It could happen and I still think that Crosby is going to be a great player for a couple more seasons but guys like Malkin and Letang are showing their age more and more and Karlsson underwhelmed their expectations. The goaltending is unsettled and the state of their development system not very good. They've missed the playoffs the last two years and I think they're less than 50/50 even with Guentzel next year. He'll have term with his next deal and they won't be moving him even as the team ages out more. Objectively Pittsburgh is not likely to be a good team next year or for the next several years. Guentzel can make a lot of money wherever he goes but if he goes back to Pittsburgh he might be kissing goodbye to any chance of being in the playoffs again before he retires. The Penguins aren't all that far away from being a bottom feeder in the next couple years.

Agreed. I doubt he goes back or stays on the Hurricanes. He’ll one of the hottest free agents this summer and a team will need a lot of cap space to get him.

 

[Peltz]

All things being equal yes.....but you've got to get the most you can for him and trading Crosby would really signal the Pens are all in on a rebuild meaning it doesn't matter what team he goes to they're not going to be contending for a while.

Also the team trading for him no doubt is going to want to work into the deal a new contract. So his approval of his destination will be part of any trade.

If they’re smart they’ll trade him (if he’d waive). But they wouldn’t really get much back. Look at the Blackhawks with Kane. Small return for these types of trades.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I think Bern had some salient points.

And the boards had some saline filled replies.

 

[noncents]

And the boards had some saline filled replies.

right pickled they were eh KD?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

DFO top 50 UFA’s 24/25
The following table is lifted off of Frank Seravelli’s Daily Faceoff. Com:

Rank	Player	Pos	Age	Team	Cap Hit	GP	G	PTS	AFP Proj*
1	Sam Reinhart	RW	29	FLA	$6.5M	82	57	94	8 x $10.2M
2	Jake Guentzel	LW	30	CAR	$6M	67	30	77	6 x $8M
3	Steven Stamkos	LW/C	34	TBL	$8.5M	79	40	81	3 x $6.3M
4	Patrick Kane	RW	36	DET	$2.75M	50	20	47	2 x $5.5M
5	Joe Pavelski	RW	40	DAL	$5.5M	82	27	67	1 x $4M
6	Brady Skjei	LD	30	CAR	$5.25M	80	13	47	6 x $7.4M
7	Jonathan Marchessault	RW	34	VGK	$5M	82	42	69	3 x $6.25M
8	Elias Lindholm	C/RW	30	VAN	$4.85M	75	15	44	7 x $8M
9	Brandon Montour	RD	30	FLA	$3.5M	66	8	33	7 x $8.7M
10	Matt Duchene	C/RW	33	DAL	$3M	80	25	65	3 x $6.5M
11	Matt Roy	RD	29	LAK	$3.15M	81	5	25	4 x $5.5M
12	Brett Pesce	RD	30	CAR	$4.03M	70	3	13	6 x $6.7M
13	Teuvo Teravainen	LW	30	CAR	$5.4M	76	25	53	5 x $6.3M
14	Tyler Bertuzzi	LW	29	TOR	$5.5M	80	21	43	5 x $6M
15	Nikita Zadorov	LD	29	VAN	$3.75M	75	6	20	4 x $5M
16	Chandler Stevenson	C	30	VGK	$2.75M	75	16	51	5 x $5.7M
17	Tyler Toffoli	RW	32	WPG	$4.25M	79	33	55	5 x $6.5M
18	Jonathan Drouin	LW	29	COL	$825K	79	19	56	4 X $4.5M
19	Max Domi	RW	29	TOR	$3M	80	9	47	3 x $4.2M
20	Sean Walker	RD	30	COL	$2.65M	81	10	29	4 x $4.8M
21	Oliver Ekman-Larsson	LD	33	FLA	$2.25M	80	9	32	3 x $3.7M
22	Dakota Joshua	LW	28	VAN	$825K	63	18	32	3 x $3M
23	Vladimir Tarasenko	RW	33	FLA	$5M	76	23	55	3 x $5.6M
24	Jalen Chatfield	RD	28	CAR	$763K	72	8	22	3 x $2.7M
25	Jake DeBrusk	LW	28	BOS	$4M	80	19	40	5 x $6M
26	Alexandre Carrier	RD	30	NSH	$2.5M	73	4	20	3 x $2.7M
27	Shayne Gostisbehere	LD	31	DET	$4.13M	81	10	56	3 x $4.4M
28	Sean Monahan	C	30	WPG	$2M	83	26	59	3 x $2.9M
29	Anthony Duclair	LW	29	TBL	$3M	73	24	42	3 x $3.25M
30	Yakov Trenin	LW/C	28	COL	$1.7M	76	12	17	3 x $3.3M
31	Alex Nedeljkovic	G	29	PIT	$1.5M	38	2.96	.902	2 x $2M
32	David Perron	RW	36	DET	$4.75M	76	17	47	2 x 2.8M
33	Viktor Arvidsson	RW	31	LAK	$4.25M	18	6	15	n/a
34	Brenden Dillon	LD	34	WPG	$3.9M	77	8	20	2 x $3.9M
35	Ian Cole	LD	35	VAN	$3M	78	2	11	2 x $3M
36	Tyler Myers	RD	34	VAN	$6M	77	5	29	2 x 2.7M
37	Jason Zucker	LW	32	NSH	$5.3M	69	14	32	3 x $5.4M
38	Matt Dumba	RD	30	TBL	$3.9M	76	4	12	3 x $3.7M
39	Alex Wennberg	C	30	NYR	$4.5M	79	10	30	4 x $4.2M
40	Dylan DeMelo	RD	31	WPG	$3M	82	3	31	4 x $5M
41	Matt Grzelcyk	LD	31	BOS	$3.7M	63	2	11	3 x $4M
42	Chris Tanev	RD	35	DAL	$4.5M	75	2	19	3 x $4.7M
43	Erik Gustafsson	LD	32	NYR	$825K	76	6	31	3 x $5M
44	Daniel Sprong	RW	27	DET	$2M	76	18	43	3 x $3.8M
45	Kaapo Kahkonen	G	28	NJD	$2.75M	37	3.64	.898	2 x $3M
46	Teddy Blueger	C	30	VAN	$1.9M	68	6	28	2 x $2.6M
47	Jordan Martinook	LW	32	CAR	$1.8M	82	14	32	2 x $2.8M
48	Ilya Samsonov	G	27	TOR	$3.55M	40	3.13	.890	2 x $3.25M
49	T.J. Brodie	LD	34	TOR	$5M	78	1	26	3 x $4.8M
50	Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	EDM	$763K	78	1	11	2 x $1.4M

 

[eco's bones]

Agreed. I doubt he goes back or stays on the Hurricanes. He’ll one of the hottest free agents this summer and a team will need a lot of cap space to get him.

When the Rangers picked up Kane he was a player pretty much on one leg. A healthy Crosby>>>a not so healthy Kane. But you might be right that Pens fans on the whole may end up disappointed by the return.

 

[IDvsEGO]

When the Rangers picked up Kane he was a player pretty much on one leg. A healthy Crosby>>>a not so healthy Kane. But you might be right that Pens fans on the whole may end up disappointed by the return.

kane was a shell of himself. Crosby damn near willed that penguins team to the playoffs.
Crosby is still a top 6 center and would be a nightmare as a 2c.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Unpopular opinion, Block Faber should win it over Bedard.

Rempe. Just because. LOL

 

[Kendo]

DFO top 50 UFA’s 24/25
The following table is lifted off of Frank Seravelli’s Daily Faceoff. Com:

Rank	Player	Pos	Age	Team	Cap Hit	GP	G	PTS	AFP Proj*
1	Sam Reinhart	RW	29	FLA	$6.5M	82	57	94	8 x $10.2M
2	Jake Guentzel	LW	30	CAR	$6M	67	30	77	6 x $8M
3	Steven Stamkos	LW/C	34	TBL	$8.5M	79	40	81	3 x $6.3M
4	Patrick Kane	RW	36	DET	$2.75M	50	20	47	2 x $5.5M
5	Joe Pavelski	RW	40	DAL	$5.5M	82	27	67	1 x $4M
6	Brady Skjei	LD	30	CAR	$5.25M	80	13	47	6 x $7.4M
7	Jonathan Marchessault	RW	34	VGK	$5M	82	42	69	3 x $6.25M
8	Elias Lindholm	C/RW	30	VAN	$4.85M	75	15	44	7 x $8M
9	Brandon Montour	RD	30	FLA	$3.5M	66	8	33	7 x $8.7M
10	Matt Duchene	C/RW	33	DAL	$3M	80	25	65	3 x $6.5M
11	Matt Roy	RD	29	LAK	$3.15M	81	5	25	4 x $5.5M
12	Brett Pesce	RD	30	CAR	$4.03M	70	3	13	6 x $6.7M
13	Teuvo Teravainen	LW	30	CAR	$5.4M	76	25	53	5 x $6.3M
14	Tyler Bertuzzi	LW	29	TOR	$5.5M	80	21	43	5 x $6M
15	Nikita Zadorov	LD	29	VAN	$3.75M	75	6	20	4 x $5M
16	Chandler Stevenson	C	30	VGK	$2.75M	75	16	51	5 x $5.7M
17	Tyler Toffoli	RW	32	WPG	$4.25M	79	33	55	5 x $6.5M
18	Jonathan Drouin	LW	29	COL	$825K	79	19	56	4 X $4.5M
19	Max Domi	RW	29	TOR	$3M	80	9	47	3 x $4.2M
20	Sean Walker	RD	30	COL	$2.65M	81	10	29	4 x $4.8M
21	Oliver Ekman-Larsson	LD	33	FLA	$2.25M	80	9	32	3 x $3.7M
22	Dakota Joshua	LW	28	VAN	$825K	63	18	32	3 x $3M
23	Vladimir Tarasenko	RW	33	FLA	$5M	76	23	55	3 x $5.6M
24	Jalen Chatfield	RD	28	CAR	$763K	72	8	22	3 x $2.7M
25	Jake DeBrusk	LW	28	BOS	$4M	80	19	40	5 x $6M
26	Alexandre Carrier	RD	30	NSH	$2.5M	73	4	20	3 x $2.7M
27	Shayne Gostisbehere	LD	31	DET	$4.13M	81	10	56	3 x $4.4M
28	Sean Monahan	C	30	WPG	$2M	83	26	59	3 x $2.9M
29	Anthony Duclair	LW	29	TBL	$3M	73	24	42	3 x $3.25M
30	Yakov Trenin	LW/C	28	COL	$1.7M	76	12	17	3 x $3.3M
31	Alex Nedeljkovic	G	29	PIT	$1.5M	38	2.96	.902	2 x $2M
32	David Perron	RW	36	DET	$4.75M	76	17	47	2 x 2.8M
33	Viktor Arvidsson	RW	31	LAK	$4.25M	18	6	15	n/a
34	Brenden Dillon	LD	34	WPG	$3.9M	77	8	20	2 x $3.9M
35	Ian Cole	LD	35	VAN	$3M	78	2	11	2 x $3M
36	Tyler Myers	RD	34	VAN	$6M	77	5	29	2 x 2.7M
37	Jason Zucker	LW	32	NSH	$5.3M	69	14	32	3 x $5.4M
38	Matt Dumba	RD	30	TBL	$3.9M	76	4	12	3 x $3.7M
39	Alex Wennberg	C	30	NYR	$4.5M	79	10	30	4 x $4.2M
40	Dylan DeMelo	RD	31	WPG	$3M	82	3	31	4 x $5M
41	Matt Grzelcyk	LD	31	BOS	$3.7M	63	2	11	3 x $4M
42	Chris Tanev	RD	35	DAL	$4.5M	75	2	19	3 x $4.7M
43	Erik Gustafsson	LD	32	NYR	$825K	76	6	31	3 x $5M
44	Daniel Sprong	RW	27	DET	$2M	76	18	43	3 x $3.8M
45	Kaapo Kahkonen	G	28	NJD	$2.75M	37	3.64	.898	2 x $3M
46	Teddy Blueger	C	30	VAN	$1.9M	68	6	28	2 x $2.6M
47	Jordan Martinook	LW	32	CAR	$1.8M	82	14	32	2 x $2.8M
48	Ilya Samsonov	G	27	TOR	$3.55M	40	3.13	.890	2 x $3.25M
49	T.J. Brodie	LD	34	TOR	$5M	78	1	26	3 x $4.8M
50	Vincent Desharnais	RD	28	EDM	$763K	78	1	11	2 x $1.4M

Sprong would be a good get. Not much else gets me excited for the cost.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Sprong would be a good get. Not much else gets me excited for the cost.

I think DFO is being overly optimistic on these players salaries.
True, the cap went up but with carryover bonuses many teams will still be close to max especially after taking care of their RFA’s.

 

[bernmeister]

Sprong would be a good get. Not much else gets me excited for the cost.

pass on sprong
develop internally + reduce $$ available for cap elsewhere
do not take mins away from Oth, Ber, Eds, and if he comes back cheap, Rosivic

 

[jay from jersey]

pass on sprong
develop internally + reduce $$ available for cap elsewhere
do not take mins away from Oth, Ber, Eds, and if he comes back cheap, Rosivic

Agree here bern.
We’re going to be having a lot of guys in house (for once) over the next 2-3 years that are going to need ice time and a chance at roster spots on the big club.

Next year hopefully Berard and Edstrom are full time NHLers

Maybe mid season or the following year, Othmann, Chmelar, Perrault

Year following that
Sykora, our 1st this year, etc

Plus wildcard guys like Laba/BMB/vasi etc
Who aren’t really on a set timeline like the others.

Young players laf, Cuylle, maybe still Kakko will still occupy spots on the team, and when Panarin/Trouba are gone, I’d wager they add a high priced UFA or trade target.

Our forwards on the team and in the pipe actually look good over the next 2-5 seasons.

Whether they resign bread at a cheaper deal, or look to go a different direction thru UFA, there will likely be outside talent coming in somewhere along the line