garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
Bogosian is a fan favourite here and unlike some tough minutes fan favourites (GST) he's actually pretty good at his job.
Even Strength and PP Production
YEAR
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GP
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ESTOI/60
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ESP/60
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ESG
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ESA
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PPTOI/60
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PPP/60
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PPG
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PPA
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SHG
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SHA
2008| 47|14.62| 1.13| 6| 07| 1.12| 5.70| 2| 3|1|0
2009| 81|16.68| 0.67| 6| 09| 1.67| 2.66| 3| 3|1|1
2010| 71|17.57| 0.53| 5| 08| 1.93| 1.31| 0| 4|0|0
2011| 65|17.25| 1.12| 4| 19| 2.40| 2.69| 1| 6|0|0
Like a lot of us already knew, Bogosian had a fantastic rookie season and then started to pitter off offensively... but, last season he brought it back!
Even Strength Advance Stats
YEAR
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RelQoC
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OZS
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RelCorsi
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Corsi
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G/60
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A1/60
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P/60
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SAon/60
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SH%
2008| 0.048| 43.6| 6.9|-4.28| 0.52| 0.17| 1.13| 30.8 | 10.0
2009| 0.290| 44.7| -1.6|-3.42| 0.27| 0.09| 0.67| 31.8 | 06.5
2010| 0.556| 47.9| -8.8|-6.98| 0.19| 0.05| 0.53| 30.4 | 03.2
2011| 0.591| 49.4| -2.7|-0.91| 0.21| 0.32| 1.12| 27.0 | 03.3
Again, pretty much what we already knew:
2008: Bogosian's rookie year looks pretty good. He plays slightly sheltered on a weak team and thanks to some oddly high for a defensemen shooting percentage plus some offensive prowess, Bogosian posts some fantastic offensive numbers.
2009: Next year he get's lined up against tougher competition. His offensive and defensive numbers stumble... but due to his #GP going up his point totals improve so he looks pretty good in the boxcar stats categories.
2010: Next step in competition levels and crash. Bogosian increases his shots on goal per game (barely) but nothing else works out. Fans start crying bust.
2011: Bogosian finds a second home in Winnipeg; Huddy goes over hours and hours of footage continuously and Bogosian takes a huge step forward offensively posting similar numbers as 2008 but without a crazy high shooting percentage. His defensive abilities improve as he almost beats tough matchups (-0.91 Corsi) which is impressive even if he isn't beating them (will show further down) and decreases shots against to 27.0 per 60 mins (around what I wish all the Jets' were, except Hainsey and Enstrom who posted ~26.0).
Bogosian is really a top notch defenseman, and took a huge step towards becoming a legit #1 all minutes man. The only thing standing in his way is Byfuglien, and he's a big thing to move out of the way. Now I'm a big fan of keeping Byfuglien with Enstrom, for the time being. But, it's of my opinion that one day Byfuglien will regress (as all players do) and it may be as early as the next 2-3 years due to his knees and weight. Jets' are in a nice position where they already have Byfuglien's replacement ready and Bogosian's tough minutes role in the cupboard (Trouba). I already showed Bogosian's With CF/GF to show how Hainsey was Bogosian's best tough minutes second pairing guy... but I want to also show how in offensive minutes he did well with Enstrom:
2011-12 Bogosian with:
Partner
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TOI
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CF%
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GF%
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+/-
Stuart |369 |0.466 |0.433 |-4
Hainsey |272 |0.496 |0.609 |+5
Oduya |247 |0.499 |0.222 |-10
Enstrom |97 |0.556 |0.667 |+3
Now keep in mind that his TOI was small with Enstrom so there could be a large effect with variance, but it's not bad at all. Their CF% (which tends to be more stable than GF% and better correlated for long-term success) is just barely under Enstrom-Byfuglien. Remember, that Bogosian was playing a different role when with Enstrom than with Stuart, Hainsey and Oduya.
Bogo Relative to His Peers:
Now I promised to show how even though Bogosian isn't beating tough minutes he's still doing pretty dang good. I'm going to go a bit statsy here.
Using Behindthenet.com (where I get probably 3/4 of my info and managed by a former Winnipeger) I brought up a list of defensemen who played more than 30 games, faced tough competition (at least 0.500 RelCorsiQoC) and had started in the Dzone more than Ozone (0-49.9 OZS)... 53 defensemen come up... Here's his placement in the 53 (and Hainsey's)
Name
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RelCorsi
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Corsi
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G/60
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A1/60
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P/60
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SAon/60
Bogosian| 32| 17| 14| 11| 04 | 27
Hainsey | 38| 23| 53| 16| 45| 19
Bogosian had the 17th best Corsi of tough minute Dman. Now some of it is padded with Ozone starts with Enstrom when Buff was injured... but it's still impressive... #16 was Shea Webber! and just for Holden Rob Suderi was #6 <EDIT> Now of course those two do have a bit tougher minutes because the Jets spread the tough matchups between the first and second pairing while those ones take it all </EDIT
What's even more impressive is Bogosian's offensive numbers with these tough minutes. He was 4th in pts/min. Now some of it is padded with a lot of secondary assists, but when you think that Bogosian posted his lowest sh% yet, it may be a wash.
Summary
Are you stoked for when he returns without a chronic bad wrist? I 'effing am!!
GoBoGo
Even Strength and PP Production
2008| 47|14.62| 1.13| 6| 07| 1.12| 5.70| 2| 3|1|0
2009| 81|16.68| 0.67| 6| 09| 1.67| 2.66| 3| 3|1|1
2010| 71|17.57| 0.53| 5| 08| 1.93| 1.31| 0| 4|0|0
2011| 65|17.25| 1.12| 4| 19| 2.40| 2.69| 1| 6|0|0
Even Strength Advance Stats
2008| 0.048| 43.6| 6.9|-4.28| 0.52| 0.17| 1.13| 30.8 | 10.0
2009| 0.290| 44.7| -1.6|-3.42| 0.27| 0.09| 0.67| 31.8 | 06.5
2010| 0.556| 47.9| -8.8|-6.98| 0.19| 0.05| 0.53| 30.4 | 03.2
2011| 0.591| 49.4| -2.7|-0.91| 0.21| 0.32| 1.12| 27.0 | 03.3
2008: Bogosian's rookie year looks pretty good. He plays slightly sheltered on a weak team and thanks to some oddly high for a defensemen shooting percentage plus some offensive prowess, Bogosian posts some fantastic offensive numbers.
2009: Next year he get's lined up against tougher competition. His offensive and defensive numbers stumble... but due to his #GP going up his point totals improve so he looks pretty good in the boxcar stats categories.
2010: Next step in competition levels and crash. Bogosian increases his shots on goal per game (barely) but nothing else works out. Fans start crying bust.
2011: Bogosian finds a second home in Winnipeg; Huddy goes over hours and hours of footage continuously and Bogosian takes a huge step forward offensively posting similar numbers as 2008 but without a crazy high shooting percentage. His defensive abilities improve as he almost beats tough matchups (-0.91 Corsi) which is impressive even if he isn't beating them (will show further down) and decreases shots against to 27.0 per 60 mins (around what I wish all the Jets' were, except Hainsey and Enstrom who posted ~26.0).
Bogosian is really a top notch defenseman, and took a huge step towards becoming a legit #1 all minutes man. The only thing standing in his way is Byfuglien, and he's a big thing to move out of the way. Now I'm a big fan of keeping Byfuglien with Enstrom, for the time being. But, it's of my opinion that one day Byfuglien will regress (as all players do) and it may be as early as the next 2-3 years due to his knees and weight. Jets' are in a nice position where they already have Byfuglien's replacement ready and Bogosian's tough minutes role in the cupboard (Trouba). I already showed Bogosian's With CF/GF to show how Hainsey was Bogosian's best tough minutes second pairing guy... but I want to also show how in offensive minutes he did well with Enstrom:
2011-12 Bogosian with:
Stuart |369 |0.466 |0.433 |-4
Hainsey |272 |0.496 |0.609 |+5
Oduya |247 |0.499 |0.222 |-10
Enstrom |97 |0.556 |0.667 |+3
Bogo Relative to His Peers:
Now I promised to show how even though Bogosian isn't beating tough minutes he's still doing pretty dang good. I'm going to go a bit statsy here.
Using Behindthenet.com (where I get probably 3/4 of my info and managed by a former Winnipeger) I brought up a list of defensemen who played more than 30 games, faced tough competition (at least 0.500 RelCorsiQoC) and had started in the Dzone more than Ozone (0-49.9 OZS)... 53 defensemen come up... Here's his placement in the 53 (and Hainsey's)
Bogosian| 32| 17| 14| 11| 04 | 27
Hainsey | 38| 23| 53| 16| 45| 19
What's even more impressive is Bogosian's offensive numbers with these tough minutes. He was 4th in pts/min. Now some of it is padded with a lot of secondary assists, but when you think that Bogosian posted his lowest sh% yet, it may be a wash.
Summary
Are you stoked for when he returns without a chronic bad wrist? I 'effing am!!
GoBoGo
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