garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
It's time for big Buff to get a big breakdown.
Byfuglien has played both forward and defense and sometimes both in the same season... So, that makes it a bit difficult to truly gauge him. I wasn't a huge follower of Chicago, so I'm just going to assume that behindthenet.com's information on which position he played in as the majority as truth (even though it's likely not).
Even Strength and PP Production
YEAR
|
POS
|
GP
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ESTOI/60
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ESP/60
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ESG
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ESA
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PPTOI/60
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PPP/60
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PPG
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PPA
|
SOG
2007| D/W|67|12.56| 1.28| 12| 07| 3.62| 2.97| 7| 10|163
2008| D/W|77|11.98| 1.43| 12| 12| 2.71| 1.72| 3| 04|202
2009| D/W|82|13.20| 1.16| 11| 12| 2.65| 3.04| 6| 05|211
2010| D |81|18.27| 1.01| 12| 17| 3.81| 3.89| 8| 16|347
2011| D |66|19.28| 1.27| 08| 25| 3.27| 4.73| 4| 15|223
The three Chicago years' ES TOI seems bit high for a 3rd line player, so I'm guessing he played some D even in 2009 (totally guessing). For a big guy who is "out of shape" playing an extra 7-8mins a game doesn't seem to slow him down. It's kind of scary how much offense Byfuglien could have created if he had played ~80 games. But, we knew about his offense prowess when I wrote this ->here<- (if you haven't read it check it out)... what about defensively? Well let's look at him overall.
Even Strength Advance Stats
YEAR
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RelQoC
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OZS
|
RelCorsi
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G/60
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A1/60
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P/60
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SAon/60
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OnIceSv%
2007| -0.452| 50.6| 10.5| 1.24| 0.74| 2.97| 5.4 | 917
2008| 0.256| 53.8| -01.3| 0.86| 0.29| 1.72| 6.9 | 923
2009| 0.252| 50.8| -05.4| 1.66| 0.28| 3.04| 5.8 | 875
2010| 0.389| 55.6| 20.7| 1.17| 1.94| 3.89| 8.7 | 818
2011| 0.674| 53.3| 13.1| 0.84| 1.67| 4.73| 7.8 | 848
2007: Buff was sheltered around the levels of Stapleton and was looking pretty promising offensively. Unfortunately expectations were overly high as his sh% was inflated (first and only time he was in double digits). Defensively was decent but he was facing 4th line pylons.
2008: The next season Buff was given a tougher role, along the same competition level as Miettinen and Wellwood were last season. Both offensively and defensively he dropped severely.
2009: Similar role. Again he was getting beat bad, but this year a little luck shined on him and his sh% bump up a bit giving him some better offensive numbers.
2010: Trade to Atlanta and career year. At nearly half the sh% as 2007/2009 he put up better numbers. Of course his SA gets worse (going from Stanley Cup calibre team to Atlanta), but he was actually able to outshoot/score his opponents.
2011: Winnipeg and he ties his totals in 20 less games. His defensive numbers improve while facing the toughest competition matchups of his career but still not that pretty. His On-Ice SV% was better but still below that of the teams average. So what happened?
IMHO, the low SV% is from the same things that cause a lot of us to yell at our TVs when Buff was either caught pinching or made a poor defensive read. But, the question remains: "does the good outweigh the bad or vice versa?"
IMHO, as long as he's placed with someone who compliments him well and can cover for him when he makes mistakes... yes. Especially since all evidence points to him improving defensively (both verbally mentioned by himself, Noel and Chevy, and by stats shown above). That person to pair him with is Enstrom.
2011-12 Byfuglien with:
Partner
|
TOI
|
CF%
|
GF%
|
+/-
Enstrom |724 |0.558 |0.522 |+3
Oduya |210 |0.524 |0.571 |+2
Stuart |159 |0.489 |0.211 |-11
As you can see here, it appears Stuart almost single handily caused Byfuglien's negative +/-... Just like Stuart did with Bogosian (as seen in the Hainsey thread).
In 2010-11 the numbers are very similar but Oduya looks more like Stuart's.
Summary
Byfuglien is a top5 offensive D-man and is consistently getting better defensively, without sacrificing the offense. Keep him with Enstrom for as long as we have him, and you got magic.
PS... I don't think the good>bad gives him the right to get fat or do whatever he pleases, and I wish he'd lose a bit of weight personally, but I do believe that the good>bad and that's the most important bit.
Byfuglien has played both forward and defense and sometimes both in the same season... So, that makes it a bit difficult to truly gauge him. I wasn't a huge follower of Chicago, so I'm just going to assume that behindthenet.com's information on which position he played in as the majority as truth (even though it's likely not).
Even Strength and PP Production
2007| D/W|67|12.56| 1.28| 12| 07| 3.62| 2.97| 7| 10|163
2008| D/W|77|11.98| 1.43| 12| 12| 2.71| 1.72| 3| 04|202
2009| D/W|82|13.20| 1.16| 11| 12| 2.65| 3.04| 6| 05|211
2010| D |81|18.27| 1.01| 12| 17| 3.81| 3.89| 8| 16|347
2011| D |66|19.28| 1.27| 08| 25| 3.27| 4.73| 4| 15|223
Even Strength Advance Stats
2007| -0.452| 50.6| 10.5| 1.24| 0.74| 2.97| 5.4 | 917
2008| 0.256| 53.8| -01.3| 0.86| 0.29| 1.72| 6.9 | 923
2009| 0.252| 50.8| -05.4| 1.66| 0.28| 3.04| 5.8 | 875
2010| 0.389| 55.6| 20.7| 1.17| 1.94| 3.89| 8.7 | 818
2011| 0.674| 53.3| 13.1| 0.84| 1.67| 4.73| 7.8 | 848
2008: The next season Buff was given a tougher role, along the same competition level as Miettinen and Wellwood were last season. Both offensively and defensively he dropped severely.
2009: Similar role. Again he was getting beat bad, but this year a little luck shined on him and his sh% bump up a bit giving him some better offensive numbers.
2010: Trade to Atlanta and career year. At nearly half the sh% as 2007/2009 he put up better numbers. Of course his SA gets worse (going from Stanley Cup calibre team to Atlanta), but he was actually able to outshoot/score his opponents.
2011: Winnipeg and he ties his totals in 20 less games. His defensive numbers improve while facing the toughest competition matchups of his career but still not that pretty. His On-Ice SV% was better but still below that of the teams average. So what happened?
IMHO, the low SV% is from the same things that cause a lot of us to yell at our TVs when Buff was either caught pinching or made a poor defensive read. But, the question remains: "does the good outweigh the bad or vice versa?"
IMHO, as long as he's placed with someone who compliments him well and can cover for him when he makes mistakes... yes. Especially since all evidence points to him improving defensively (both verbally mentioned by himself, Noel and Chevy, and by stats shown above). That person to pair him with is Enstrom.
2011-12 Byfuglien with:
Enstrom |724 |0.558 |0.522 |+3
Oduya |210 |0.524 |0.571 |+2
Stuart |159 |0.489 |0.211 |-11
In 2010-11 the numbers are very similar but Oduya looks more like Stuart's.
Summary
Byfuglien is a top5 offensive D-man and is consistently getting better defensively, without sacrificing the offense. Keep him with Enstrom for as long as we have him, and you got magic.
PS... I don't think the good>bad gives him the right to get fat or do whatever he pleases, and I wish he'd lose a bit of weight personally, but I do believe that the good>bad and that's the most important bit.
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