neelynugs
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scoutman1 said:Not a fan of their top 5's"
mine would be:
Quebec:
James Sheppard
Jonathan Bernier
Derrick Brassard
J-C Blanchard
Ivan Vishnevsky
chsb said:I agree on the first 3...
JC Blanchard had a terrible season start so far:
Blanchard, Jean-Christophe Mon 4 6 4 0 240.00 18 0 0 4.50 105 0.829
Bernier, Jonathan Lew 4 6 2 2 245.00 10 0 0 2.45 119 0.916
Blanchard is totally unproven at Junior Major level and is showing it right now.
Vishnevsky has not played 1 single game in the Q yet...how can you rank him without knowing how he will fare against this competition?
How can you dismiss Mathieu Carle? he is by far the most dominant D in the Q in this season start so far including 19 and 20 YOs??
Carle, Mathieu Bat 8 3 10 13 17 4
And finally I would put at least two other Ds ahead of Joey Ryan including Titan Alex Lamontagne...
LaLaLaprise said:Youre a homer!! Carle is good but points arent everything. Joey Ryan is better than Carle and Lamontagne. Lamontagne hasnt even played all of BAT's games, hes been a healthy scratch.
Blanchard is 6'05 and has good technic, NHL scouts are drooling over him regardless of his start.
chsb said:Of course I am a homer and Mathieu Carle will be drafted first round NHL no doubt the way he is going now, homer or not...
Blanchard will go down the chart very quickly the way he is going right now.
So it is nice to look at potential, but....you also got to look at how the player performs at this level right now and to look at the upward or downward trend for each of them...
Pcommedanspablo said:[Blanchard is 6'05 and has good technic, NHL scouts are drooling over him regardless of his start.
LaLaLaprise said:1st round?? Really?? LOL thats funny. Carle has no clue where his own zone is. He can have 200 pts that still doesnt make him attractive to NHL teams in the 1st round.
You have no clue about anything outside of Bathurst. Blanchard has had a rough start...but the season is also 70 games long, not 2.
Your last line says it all. NHL scouts look at Potential. They dont care about how a players point totals are at the age of 17, they project the player 4-5 years later. You think it works the opposite.
chsb said:If you look at the Q top-20 offensive Ds today, the only one who has a better +- than him is Keith Yandle and ....he is already drafted...
Do you mean that all these Ds below Carle in +- don't know where their defensive zone is?
Pretty weak statement on your part regarding Carle who is also very fine this year in his own zone...
How many times have you seen him play since beginning of the year?
I would say zero since we did not play Halifax so far and none of the Titan games were broadcasted in your area.
Yah! Pretty weak statement....
LaLaLaprise said:And +/- is a good read of defense?
He was a -30 last year. Did he all of a sudden improve that much? His team is playing well at this time. If you look at the top +/- most are from Bathurst. Last year the lowest +/- were mostly from BAT...HMMM coincidence that the enitre BAT team improved theri defensive play? Or could it be that they are out scoring opponents this year??
chsb said:I was expecting that counter argument on your part.
For an answer to that, you got to look at Carle after January 1st 2005 when he really stepped up his play on a bottom feeder team:
AFT JAN 1ST 32 4 18 22 31 -5
at that pace, he would have a 50 points season at 17 last year with a reasonable +- stat on a bottom feeder...
So, to understand fully his rocket start this season, you only need to look at it as a continuation of the 2nd half of last season...
LaLaLaprise said:And +/- is a good read of defense?
He was a -30 last year. Did he all of a sudden improve that much? His team is playing well at this time. If you look at the top +/- most are from Bathurst. Last year the lowest +/- were mostly from BAT...HMMM coincidence that the enitre BAT team improved theri defensive play? Or could it be that they are out scoring opponents this year??
TransportedUpstater said:Wasn't Luc Bourdon even worse +/- wise? Or was he -29?
Either way, +/- alone is not even remotely an error-free indicator of defensive play. If we had an outstanding goalie, I could get a decent +/- playing on a line with Gretzky and Lemieux in the late 80's, and I certainly do not have anything resembling professional hockey talent in any way..
chsb said:The better factor in assessing a player is to see him play, which is exactly what I did since the beginning of season.
and all last year...
Carle is a dominant D right now at 18 against other 19-20 YO Ds...
He is THE leader on defense on a team who has some pretty good Ds...