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Depending who's picking 2nd, I could see him going as high as that.
Why didn't Erik Karlsson (15th overall) produce better than Simon Bertilsson (3rd rounder) who is now a defensive defenseman in the SHL? Numbers mean very little.
Numbers & viewings is all we have. The viewings and the numbers say he's a comp to Brannstrom, so unless the class is down overall, don't see him that highly. YMMV.
What is so similar to Brannstrom? I think they are different players. Brannstrom is more of a puck moving defenseman, Boqvist more of an offensive defenseman.
Wait, what? Isn't that the same thing? A defenseman with the puck on his stick, creating chances? Or does the former just let go of the puck at the red line? Or is it that an offensive defenseman is somebody who is so substandard in his own end he has to make up for it.
All I am saying isBoqvist has a tremendous willingness to jump in to play, but the only place he's pulling it off is in J20 where he does everything but drive the zamboni. All I see is warning signs. Hasn't earned ice time in 2 men's leagues, didn't earn ice time at 5 nations, is never going to get that big, isn't producing enough to demonstrate elite skill to make up for the size disadvantage.
But asides from that, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
What? How could you possibly think that Brännström and Boqvist lare comparable by your "viewings"? I call BS on this oneNumbers & viewings is all we have. The viewings and the numbers say he's a comp to Brannstrom, so unless the class is down overall, don't see him that highly. YMMV.
He has ridiculous upside if everything clicks, but at this point he would scare me in the top 5. Now, bad teams are generally desperate for D, so it will be interesting how it plays out. I would think all of the high-profile wingers are safer while still having high-upside in Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, and Wahlstrom. Sorting out that group of D behind them is something else. I think I like Dobson the most due to the safety but remaining high upside, followed by Boqvist, Hughes, and Bouchard in that order. While, I can understand taking him at 2 if you legitimately believe he's the next Erik Karlsson, but, personally, I think that is way more risk than I would be comfortable with.
If he could show more in either the Allsvenskan or SHL by the end of the year I might be convinced of a top 5 standing. And, yes, I am aware Karlsson was almost exclusively in J-20 in his draft year. But, he was drafted 15th, and can be considered a bit of an outlier, in the opposite corner you have someone like Lars Jonsson (highest drafted guy to primarily play J-20 in recent years). Most of the impact Swedish defenders that were taken high were firmly in the SHL or Allsvenskan at 17 (Larsson, Hedman, and OEL). H. Lindholm split time between the SHL and J-20 (20 games to 27). Now, you obviously also have cases of late-round gems like Klingberg who weren't even firm J-20 players at that age.
He probably has the widest range of any of the guys at the top of the draft (outside of possibly Denisenko). He could realistically go anywhere from 2 (unlikely) to 14 (unlikely). His sweet spot is probably 5 to 9.
His stock held primarily based on Hlinka. It will be interesting to see how his stock holds after a good but not great showing in Plymouth. Remember at this time last year, Liljegren was still top 5 in a bunch of places because people were reluctant to drop him heavily until closer to the U-18's. Just checking the TSN guys, FC and Hockey Prospect, the only one of those lists from a comparable time last year to have Liljegren out the top 3 was HockeyProspect.com who had him at 7.How many people have him below 5? I've seen very few lists where he's not in the top 5.
I completely agree with your entire post regarding Boqvist. I like Boqvist a lot, but think he is a tremendous risk in the top 5, when you have high floor with high ceiling guys available. I would grab him for sure in that 7-10 range though.He has ridiculous upside if everything clicks, but at this point he would scare me in the top 5. Now, bad teams are generally desperate for D, so it will be interesting how it plays out. I would think all of the high-profile wingers are safer while still having high-upside in Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, and Wahlstrom. Sorting out that group of D behind them is something else. I think I like Dobson the most due to the safety but remaining high upside, followed by Boqvist, Hughes, and Bouchard in that order. While, I can understand taking him at 2 if you legitimately believe he's the next Erik Karlsson, but, personally, I think that is way more risk than I would be comfortable with.
If he could show more in either the Allsvenskan or SHL by the end of the year I might be convinced of a top 5 standing. And, yes, I am aware Karlsson was almost exclusively in J-20 in his draft year. But, he was drafted 15th, and can be considered a bit of an outlier, in the opposite corner you have someone like Lars Jonsson (highest drafted guy to primarily play J-20 in recent years). Most of the impact Swedish defenders that were taken high were firmly in the SHL or Allsvenskan at 17 (Larsson, Hedman, and OEL). H. Lindholm split time between the SHL and J-20 (20 games to 27). Now, you obviously also have cases of late-round gems like Klingberg who weren't even firm J-20 players at that age.
He probably has the widest range of any of the guys at the top of the draft (outside of possibly Denisenko). He could realistically go anywhere from 2 (unlikely) to 14 (unlikely). His sweet spot is probably 5 to 9.
His stock held primarily based on Hlinka. It will be interesting to see how his stock holds after a good but not great showing in Plymouth. Remember at this time last year, Liljegren was still top 5 in a bunch of places because people were reluctant to drop him heavily until closer to the U-18's. Just checking the TSN guys, FC and Hockey Prospect, the only one of those lists from a comparable time last year to have Liljegren out the top 3 was HockeyProspect.com who had him at 7.
Craig’s List: Patrick remains in the top spot despite injury - Article - TSN
Patrick has decided edge in TSN Hockey Mid-season Draft Ranking - Article - TSN
He's playing at a lower level and plays an atypical game which as pointed out is hard to transfer over to a men's league. That makes him fairly high-risk compared to the safety of some easier projections.
We haven't had Adam Boqvist as a top 5 overall pick on our board going back to last year, highest he's been was top 15 after Hlinka (current rank was made public in our Winter Release thread). That's not to say there is no possible way he will be that good, but in our eyes it's far from a sure thing.How many people have him below 5? I've seen very few lists where he's not in the top 5.
People soured on him because he hardly progressed in a full season and he was coming off an illness. The knock was more on him skating into crowds and having untimely turnovers than his ability to run a PP which he could do in the SHL at 16.The difference between Boqvist and Liljegren is that by the end of last year people really soured on Liljegren's upside, in that they felt he didn't have the offensive IQ to be a top PPQB. I don't think people feel that way about Boqvist (yet), even though the production isn't there. Both are high risk, but Boqvist is percieved to have that boom factor because of superior skill and IQ.
His stock held primarily based on Hlinka. It will be interesting to see how his stock holds after a good but not great showing in Plymouth. Remember at this time last year, Liljegren was still top 5 in a bunch of places because people were reluctant to drop him heavily until closer to the U-18's. Just checking the TSN guys, FC and Hockey Prospect, the only one of those lists from a comparable time last year to have Liljegren out the top 3 was HockeyProspect.com who had him at 7.
Craig’s List: Patrick remains in the top spot despite injury - Article - TSN
Patrick has decided edge in TSN Hockey Mid-season Draft Ranking - Article - TSN
He's playing at a lower level and plays an atypical game which as pointed out is hard to transfer over to a men's league. That makes him fairly high-risk compared to the safety of some easier projections.
I’d take either over BoqvistWouldn’t be surprised to see GMs prefer the big Canadian RDs like Bouchard and Dobson over Boqvist. They have the size, the point totals and they play a lot of big minutes in places that are easily scoutable.
Id be anxious picking a boom or bust guy in the top-5. But his upside is just too high to pass on at the same, feeling abit conflicted tbh.
When was the last time we saw a defenseman like him picked in the top 10?
Cale Makar last year?
Of course Makar was a boom or bust. He was playing in a joke of a league that you cant accurately project what he will look against better QOC.Haven't been following Makar at all tbh, so wasn't aware he was a boom or bust kind of defenseman, but yeah looking into it seems like a decent comparable.
Of course Makar was a boom or bust. He was playing in a joke of a league that you cant accurately project what he will look against better QOC.
Not the first time a player from the Junior A program is drafted high... They’re usually not any more boom or bust types than the Americans drafted out of high schools.Of course Makar was a boom or bust. He was playing in a joke of a league that you cant accurately project what he will look against better QOC.