Rank these prospects

[henrik0080]

Please rank these prospect based on NHL potential for scoring points.

RYAN O'MARRA
MARTIN HANZAL
NICKLAS BERGFORS
ANDREW COGLIANO
RYAN STOA
GUILLAUME LATENDRESSE

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[benbouch]

There's Latendresse Then The Rest Far Away ....

 

[jcpenny]

I like Hanzal a lot, hed be on top for me.

 

[Lobstertainment]

It's that damn Hanzal! He's so hot right now.

 

[salty justice]

It's that damn Hanzal! He's so hot right now.

Agreed, Latendresse is quickly becoming overrated, theres a reason he fell so far.

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

Agreed, Latendresse is quickly becoming overrated, theres a reason he fell so far.

Latendresse = The next overrated Habs prospect?

 

[Habsaku]

Latendresse = The next overrated Habs prospect?

Mark Stuart is the next scott stevens ?

 

[King'sPawn]

Agreed, Latendresse is quickly becoming overrated, theres a reason he fell so far.

A common, and very flawed, reasoning... especially for this draft.

Over the last year, some teams had to cut back on personnel, which would include scouting. Some didn't have the resources to scout as deeply as they normally do.

Also, some teams make the mistake of drafting on need.

Don't forget to bear in mind that just because he fell so far, doesn't mean he was the consensus 54th best prospect. Some teams that weren't foolish enough to draft for need, had at least one other player rated ahead of Latendresse. For all we know, he could be regarded by Montreal as the third best prospect behind Crosby and Price.

It's draft position, not Latendresse, that's quickly becoming overrated.

 

[Archijerej]

Latendresse = The next overrated Habs prospect?

Overrated by whom?

 

[x-bob]

Please rank these prospect based on NHL potential for scoring points.

RYAN O'MARRA
MARTIN HANZAL
NICKLAS BERGFORS
ANDREW COGLIANO
RYAN STOA
GUILLAUME LATENDRESSE

I would rate it like this if it was only based on potential

Hanzal
Latendresse
Stoa
O'Marra
Cogliano
Bergfors

 

[Porn*]

Please rank these prospect based on NHL potential for scoring points.

RYAN O'MARRA
MARTIN HANZAL
NICKLAS BERGFORS
ANDREW COGLIANO
RYAN STOA
GUILLAUME LATENDRESSE

that is actually the order i'd have them in... based on potential as an nhler with an all around game.

 

[King'sPawn]

I would rate it like this if it was only based on potential

Hanzal
Latendresse
Stoa
O'Marra
Cogliano
Bergfors

Seems to me that O'Marra would have the least amount of potential, while being the "safest" prospect.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

There's Latendresse Then The Rest Far Away ....

Thats why he was drafted some 30 spots after the other 4?

 

[Le depisteur]

1. Latendresse
2. O'Marra
3. Bergfors
4. Cogliano
5. Hanzal
6. Stoa

 

[Le Golie]

A common, and very flawed, reasoning... especially for this draft.

Over the last year, some teams had to cut back on personnel, which would include scouting. Some didn't have the resources to scout as deeply as they normally do.

Also, some teams make the mistake of drafting on need.

Don't forget to bear in mind that just because he fell so far, doesn't mean he was the consensus 54th best prospect. Some teams that weren't foolish enough to draft for need, had at least one other player rated ahead of Latendresse. For all we know, he could be regarded by Montreal as the third best prospect behind Crosby and Price.

It's draft position, not Latendresse, that's quickly becoming overrated.

Flawed reasoning? Yet you use the excuse that a lack of scouting resources may have led to his tumble? That's the most flawed reasoning I've seen in this thread. How is Letandresse any more affected by that than any other prospect out there?

 

[King'sPawn]

Flawed reasoning? Yet you use the excuse that a lack of scouting resources may have led to his tumble? That's the most flawed reasoning I've seen in this thread. How is Letandresse any more affected by that than any other prospect out there?

Bear in mind my focus is not solely on Latendresse in this thread. I was picking at the argument that draft position dictates a player's value and potential.

The draft position argument, especially during this year because of the fewer scouts employed, is flawed.

I hold no stakes in Latendresse or Montreal. It's unfortunate you think I'm making excuses, but I'm not. If someone had said that Jack Johnson is less valuable than Bobby Ryan because the Ducks picked him first, I'd say the person is using flawed logic. Same thing if people think Cogliano is better than Bertram because he was drafted higher. I just focused on the Latendresse situation because the logic behind his assessment, not the assessment itself, is what I disagree with.

 

[Vic Rattlehead*]

Mark Stuart is the next scott stevens ?

Hey, no one is calling him Stevens. HF wrote that he has a similar game to Stevens, but won't be as effective as him.

 

[Legionnaire]

A common, and very flawed, reasoning... especially for this draft.

Over the last year, some teams had to cut back on personnel, which would include scouting. Some didn't have the resources to scout as deeply as they normally do.

Also, some teams make the mistake of drafting on need.

Don't forget to bear in mind that just because he fell so far, doesn't mean he was the consensus 54th best prospect. Some teams that weren't foolish enough to draft for need, had at least one other player rated ahead of Latendresse. For all we know, he could be regarded by Montreal as the third best prospect behind Crosby and Price.

It's draft position, not Latendresse, that's quickly becoming overrated.

One major problem with that theory KP. They would not have cut back on scouting the Q

 

[King'sPawn]

One major problem with that theory KP. They would not have cut back on scouting the Q

Probably not, but again, I was attacking the notion that "he fell for a reason" had a good argument.

Be that as it may, teams undoubtedly had scouts in the Q, but who knows how many were there, and how much exposure to prospects a particular scout got.

 

[Patty Ice]

Overrated by whom?

See post #2.

 

[Patty Ice]

Be that as it may, teams undoubtedly had scouts in the Q, but who knows how many were there, and how much exposure to prospects a particular scout got.

Or maybe they just didn't like him as a first round pick.

 

[no name]

Please rank these prospect based on NHL potential for scoring points.

RYAN O'MARRA
MARTIN HANZAL
NICKLAS BERGFORS
ANDREW COGLIANO
RYAN STOA
GUILLAUME LATENDRESSE

You forgot Dustin Brown. Just kidding.

 

[no name]

Hey, no one is calling him Stevens. HF wrote that he has a similar game to Stevens, but won't be as effective as him.

Yeah but the guy sitting by me at the bar says he doesnt.

 

[salty justice]

If someone had said that Jack Johnson is less valuable than Bobby Ryan because the Ducks picked him first, I'd say the person is using flawed logic.

You are comparing 2 players 2 spots apart to 6 players 30+ spots apart.

Latendresse has a ton of skill and upside, maybe more than the others maybe not. But for 29 other professional scouting teams to pass up on a North American kid almost twice each, there had to have been something they didnt like about him in the combine or on the ice. I agree that my argument is certainly not always true, especially with Europeans, but to say a guy is clear cut above 5 other guys drafted much higher than him so close after the draft is a crazy statement.

 

[montreal]

You are comparing 2 players 2 spots apart to 6 players 30+ spots apart.

Latendresse has a ton of skill and upside, maybe more than the others maybe not. But for 29 other professional scouting teams to pass up on a North American kid almost twice each, there had to have been something they didnt like about him in the combine or on the ice. I agree that my argument is certainly not always true, especially with Europeans, but to say a guy is clear cut above 5 other guys drafted much higher than him so close after the draft is a crazy statement.

Latendresse had a major shoulder injury (not a good sign for a future PF), was inconsistent in his return from the shoulder injury, his skating is not great, needs work on his mobility/acceleration. Several good reseasons why he dropped, but with the playoffs he had I would have thought gm's would be more interested. Guess not. We'll see what happens, but Hab fans will hype him to death since he's a local with size and skill. I'm a big fan of his but we'll never hear the end of what a steal he was even though the ink isn't even dry from draft day.