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Woo is playing? That’s good, I thought he had a serious injury.
Howden isn't flashy but man he's always in the right spot to make a play and scores big time goals or even make big time plays that drive production.I think you guys are starting to get a feel for what I like about Howden.
As for Woo, he’s a kid I’ve particularly liked for a while now. Before he got hurt, I had him in the top 15. The injury derailed his season and you have to take that into account, but he’s an under the radar talent that could play a solid, if unspectacular game for many years
Howden isn't flashy but man he's always in the right spot to make a play and scores big time goals or even make big time plays that drive production.
What impresses me the most are just his awareness of the play as it develops. We use "hockey IQ" sometimes too much, but he really is a good demonstration of high hockey IQ.He’s an incredibly smart player. He has very good, but not necessarily great individual skills. Unfortunately, I think his skills are almost undervalued because his awareness, positioning and drive are so noticeable.
Gropp plus Barzal numbers.
Yeah, but OTOH Howden was only 3rd on his team in PPG and the leaders had 130 pts in 70 games and 113 in 60 (Halbegachs and Burke) compared to Howdens 75 in 50. Burke has 21 pts in 13 games in the POs compared to Howdens 15.
So it’s not like Howden is leading his team alone.
Are you growing past your original ceiling on him?Burke is also a kid who tends to add to his numbers after the critical moments have passed. He’s skilled player, but he’s the type who adds a couple of points late in a 6-1 game.
On many nights, Howden is very much the critical player on that team - faceoffs, harder assignments, shifts with little margin for error. What makes him an interesting prospect is that he prpduces points, but it’s not the only thing that makes him impactful.
He was. Also see him out there in lots of critical parts of the game. There's a lot to like on him, I think.Seems like a player who elevates his game the more important the games are. He was also ppg at the wjc iirc
*does more than just the stat sheet shows*It’s also interesting to see how many times during the season he was voted one of the three stars, despite not necessarily being the guy with the most points.
Are you growing past your original ceiling on him?
Seems every tweet about Howden is where he ties or gives his team a go ahead. Can not notice it.
I’ve seen a lot of Woo and this kid will not be more than a bottom pairing dman, sure, you’re entitled to your own opinions and prospects are a crapshoot/I’m not credible enough to have a say in this but, Woo is overrated defensively and isn’t creative offensively. He can throw some nice hits and play physical but his defense doesn’t impress me and I’m glad other people have caught on. I have him ranked closer to the 3rd round than the 1stI think you guys are starting to get a feel for what I like about Howden.
As for Woo, he’s a kid I’ve particularly liked for a while now. Before he got hurt, I had him in the top 15. The injury derailed his season and you have to take that into account, but he’s an under the radar talent that could play a solid, if unspectacular game for many years
I’ve seen a lot of Woo and this kid will not be more than a bottom pairing dman, sure, you’re entitled to your own opinions and prospects are a crapshoot/I’m not credible enough to have a say in this but, Woo is overrated defensively and isn’t creative offensively. He can throw some nice hits and play physical but his defense doesn’t impress me and I’m glad other people have caught on. I have him ranked closer to the 3rd round than the 1st
I think if you were to like Woo, you’d want a safe player. Woo is a defense first guy and I don’t see creativity there. His skating is meh, his shot is ok, doesn’t skate the puck up the ice etc. when all of those are missing I don’t think you can expect offensive upside from him. You just hope for his decent defensive game to progress and translate to the NHL. I’d be fine if we picked him late, late 2nd, not 1st round though. For defense we should be aiming for high potential guys, have enough potential middle pairing-bottom pairing guys. To each his own thoughThat’s fair.
Personally, I like his upside, and think his offensive game is worth keeping an eye on.
I think if you were to like Woo, you’d want a safe player. Woo is a defense first guy and I don’t see creativity there. His skating is meh, his shot is ok, doesn’t skate the puck up the ice etc. when all of those are missing I don’t think you can expect offensive upside from him. You just hope for his decent defensive game to progress and translate to the NHL. I’d be fine if we picked him late, late 2nd, not 1st round though. For defense we should be aiming for high potential guys, have enough potential middle pairing-bottom pairing guys. To each his own though
Not sure I would classify him as safe, so much as developing. There are lot of elements there that are works in progress.
For the first third of the season he was scoring at nearly a ppg pace and taking command of offensive flow.
For me, he’s the type of defenseman you draft with the hope that the pieces keep developing. He’s not the finished product like the top guys, but his current level is right in the mix of other players who went on to have very good post-draft development.
Didn't he also miss a ton of time with a concussion though? You could view that either way, either as a further risk, or as the reason for the lower stats and less complete game (think McIlrath with the knee injury losing a year of development)