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Of course there is plenty of corporate sponsors here. Champ Car sold millions of dollars in tickets to them already, and all in all we have 37 suites and 16 skyboxes, don't we? And they are always full.
Biggest Canuck Fan said:I am a stats major my friend. but just to show you...
http://www.epl.ca/Elections/info/EPLpopulation.cfm
According to your own City Library you only have 665,599(forecast) for 2002
You are telling me in 3 years the City has had an influx of over 300K?!?!
Here's another one my learned friend... 666 104 (2001 census)
Source: http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=J1ARTJ0002525
Sorry but Edmonton is no where near 1,000,000
You are thinking of this: http://www.edmonton.com/statistics/page.asp?page=84
With a population of just under 938,000 at the time of the 2001 Census of Canada, the Edmonton CMA is the sixth largest metropolitan region in Canada.
Current projections from the City of Edmonton Planning and Development Department are that the population of the Edmonton CMA will be just under 985, 000 at the end of 2003 and the City of Edmonton population will be just under 698, 000.
I said the current NHL, not the NHL. Don't get your feathers all in a ruffle cause I never said Edmonton shouldn't be in the NHL.
Again the way the NHL currently is, there is no way the city can support a francise.
Hootchie Cootchie said:...sorry for the misunderstanding.
I just get really suspicious when we cry poor now. I would like to have the revenues (where they come from and how much goes where) explained if anyone knows.
I really hate to spin this into a Calgary vs. Edmonton thread (again), but the comparison is fitting since they both occupy the same province and have similar revenue numbers.fischer8 said:This is not meant to upset anyone, but why is the Oilers franchise in such a bad financial situation? I guess for that matter, most of the Canadian franchises. It's the country where hockey is the most popular, but their franchises fail. I've never seen a good reason why they can't make money. Is it the whole Canadian dollar versus the US dollar, bad owners or what? Teams like Edmonton and Ottawa both have some exciting young players who score, but just can't seem to be succesful business wise. Thanks for any responses.
Splatman Phanutier said:I really hate to spin this into a Calgary vs. Edmonton thread (again), but the comparison is fitting since they both occupy the same province and have similar revenue numbers.
My guess is that Edmonton is generally a "poorer" city its southern counterpart, being more of a blue-collar city while Calgary is almost entirely white-collar. This allows for less breathing room for the Oilers, who have more owners (31 vs. 6) and less big coperates buying expensive box's. Privite funding ect also is less, and thus IMO Edmonton is walking on probably the thinnest ice outside of Pittsburg and Buffalo.
Ottawa, Edmonton and Calgary are about half as big as the next smallest market in the NHL at 1 million people. This is the first problem.
Splatman Phanutier said:I really hate to spin this into a Calgary vs. Edmonton thread (again), but the comparison is fitting since they both occupy the same province and have similar revenue numbers.
My guess is that Edmonton is generally a "poorer" city its southern counterpart, being more of a blue-collar city while Calgary is almost entirely white-collar. This allows for less breathing room for the Oilers, who have more owners (31 vs. 6) and less big coperates buying expensive box's. Privite funding ect also is less, and thus IMO Edmonton is walking on probably the thinnest ice outside of Pittsburg and Buffalo.
Hootchie Cootchie said:It is true that Calgary has some more rich people, but that doesn't effect the standard-of-living for the average citizen. For all I know you are living in squalor.
True enoughOilerFan4Life said:well your right. But if were on thin ice, your not to behind.
I live in Edmonton 8 months a year. So... almost a squalorHootchie Cootchie said:It is true that Calgary has some more rich people, but that doesn't effect the standard-of-living for the average citizen. For all I know you are living in squalor.
Splatman Phanutier said:True enough
Personally though... I think the Flames will contract/fold long before the Oilers will. I don't think the 31-owners will work, but considering the (gag) history of the Oilers, SOMEBODY will buy the team and keep it there. The day a franchise like Isles, Habs or Oilers move/contract will be a very sad day in hockey.
fischer8 said:Thanks for the replies. It seems to be a hard subject to tackle, and a combination of many factors. Sounds like the taxes are a killer. Speaking of Edmonton and the Oilers, what is the situation with oil there? I've heard some pretty wild stories of huge stocks of oil in Alberta and was wondering what benefit the provence/the teams get out of that? Thanks.
Really... anyone who believes that is an idiot.Hootchie Cootchie said:Don't tell any of you fellow Flames fans that - they seem to think they are immune to these problems.
fischer8 said:Thanks for the replies. It seems to be a hard subject to tackle, and a combination of many factors. Sounds like the taxes are a killer. Speaking of Edmonton and the Oilers, what is the situation with oil there? I've heard some pretty wild stories of huge stocks of oil in Alberta and was wondering what benefit the provence/the teams get out of that? Thanks.
How many of the Oilers owners are big Oil businessman?Hootchie Cootchie said:The province gets tons of oil money and we're the richest and only debt-free province, but I'm not sure what the teams get if anything. But I know that there are companies that occupy some of the mid-level suites.
Splatman Phanutier said:How many of the Oilers owners are big Oil businessman?
I believe the Oilers are owned mostly by a "small" millionair businessman.
Yup they sure doOilerFan4Life said:Well it doesnt really matter. I dont think Oiler fans want to see Oil companies getting anywhere near our hockey team. Oil companies=Corruption for the most part...Although I believe some of the rich boys down south like Hotchkiss have a long history in the oil industry.
For the past few years, yes that has been true... alot of season tickets have been bought by big corps. However, many pulled back last season to accodimdate the Flames in the playoffs so they wouldn't go to waste... or something like that.speeds said:I've also heard it said that another factor against EDM (in a vs. CAL sense) is that EDM's season ticket base has (I'm stating this as fact, but really just assuming) more individuals as opposed of businesses, and therefore can charge less since the average guys can't write his tickets off as corporations can.