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Mark my words: KK will be with the Leafs next season.
I would rather put my money on him playing for other team next season.
Mark my words: KK will be with the Leafs next season.
Does he proccess the game at full speed? They say thats what sets mcdavid apart from other fast players. That and his actual speed with the puck.
How does kapanen do in those categories?
he still plays with skill at high speed he isnt just a fast skater like grabner or something. He is not and never will be mcdavid though obviously
I would rather put my money on him playing for other team next season.
KK will either be a Leaf or with another NHL team. Hes ready, the question is whether or not its here.
Should be here, at least for the foreseeable future. If we're trading him now, we're probably going to be selling low on Kappy. He's probably undervalued for his upside. Speedy and skilled 2-way player, with utility (able to play the PK), that is having a great year in the AHL at his age. He'd immediately be the fastest player on the team if he were called up today.
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We traded and retained on Kessel to get him. If he doesn't pan out, the Kessel deal looks even more bad. Not to say we shouldn't have done it, but retrospectively, Dubas got taken to the cleaners on it.
Should be here, at least for the foreseeable future. If we're trading him now, we're probably going to be selling low on Kappy. He's probably undervalued for his upside. Speedy and skilled 2-way player, with utility (able to play the PK), that is having a great year in the AHL at his age. He'd immediately be the fastest player on the team if he were called up today.
We traded and retained on Kessel to get him. If he doesn't pan out, the Kessel deal looks even more bad. Not to say we shouldn't have done it, but retrospectively, Dubas got taken to the cleaners on it.
Not a fan of kessel for Andersen, kapanen, and Matthews?
We shouldn't have taken retention on the deal. Kessel was one of the best players on the Pens cup run and helped them win a cup in year 1 post-trade. It's no secret why Lou was hired shortly after. Probably one of the few moments I wavered on my trust in management as Dubas messing up the Kessel deal was a sign he was a poor negotiator- this is impactful moving forward for future trades, signings, etc.
I acknowledge we had little leverage with Kessel's NTC and that he had to be moved. But taking salary back on the deal was the kicker. I'm not convinced we couldn't have gotten a lot better.
Re: Andersen, I see that trade as a separate transaction. It's clear we won the deal but Ducks also had no leverage and we hit the goalie market at a fortunate and lucky time. After the Jones, Lehner trade, we were able to get a steal.
It was the only offer we had as sellers. Pittsburgh couldn't afford him on the cap otherwise. So to you that first round pick we acquired just stayed as nothing... And kapanen is basically nothing, because he's nylanders age and isn't in the show yet even though he's ppg in the ahl at 20. And we could have tanked with kessel and still acquired Matthews. With that logic I guess we got hosed.We shouldn't have taken retention on the deal. Kessel was one of the best players on the Pens cup run and helped them win a cup in year 1 post-trade. It's no secret why Lou was hired shortly after. Probably one of the few moments I wavered on my trust in management as Dubas messing up the Kessel deal was a sign he was a poor negotiator- this is impactful moving forward for future trades, signings, etc.
I acknowledge we had little leverage with Kessel's NTC and that he had to be moved. But taking salary back on the deal was the kicker. I'm not convinced we couldn't have gotten a lot better.
Re: Andersen, I see that trade as a separate transaction. It's clear we won the deal (from our perspective, value wise) but Ducks also had no leverage and we hit the goalie market at a fortunate and lucky time. After the Jones, Lehner trade, we were able to get a steal.
The purpose of retention is exactly a situation like this. We met a cap challenged teams needs & got the trade completed. Who gives a rats ass that we retained, we still have 2 slots & so long as we don't efff up any future contracts like the old management did, we are good.
& it wasn't Dubas, it was Shanahan, who was already working on bringing Lou on board for a few months.
And kapanen is basically nothing, because he's nylanders age and isn't in the show yet
Shanahan made the trade. Not Dubas. Why do you keep claiming dubas made the trade? And that first we got turned into Andersen which is a legitimate NHL caliber player whether you like it or not. It didn't just stay a first forever. Nor will kapanen stay in the ahl forever.As I've said, I'm not convinced Dubas got the best return on Kessel and it should have left most, objective and rational fans worried about his role long-term as a negotiator. People in the Burke and JFJ era tried to justify every trash trade/transaction that was made as well. Komisarek signing, Connolly signing, initial Kessel deal, Perrault trade, Steen trade, list goes on were all blatantly bad from the second they happened. I've been a Leaf fan too long to give into blind faith and mediocrity.
Retaining 1.2m AAV until 2021-2022 in a cap world for Phil Kessel, who has proven he is a legitimate star in this league, given the return he got as is (Kap + very late 1st + fillers) is far short of what we should have expected as a fanbase.
I'm one of biggest Kapanen's biggest fans. We overlook him due to the youth on this team and he's a legitimate A-/B+ prospect. Look how Nuck fans have reacted to Goldobin. Someone who I see as markedly worst.
Going back to my initial post, I haven't made my full conclusion on the Kessel trade until we see what we have in Kap. If Kap becomes the player I think he can be, I may prospectively upgrade the deal from what I see as bad -> acceptable/fair. The truth is, Kessel will be a star for years to come. We should have got a better return for him, period. We have yet to get a single, legitimate, NHL caliber player from the trade. There will never again, be a time in my life as a Leafs fan where I accept mediocrity or give into blind faith into garbage management ever again.
We shouldn't have taken retention on the deal. Kessel was one of the best players on the Pens cup run and helped them win a cup in year 1 post-trade. It's no secret why Lou was hired shortly after. Probably one of the few moments I wavered on my trust in management as Dubas messing up the Kessel deal was a sign he was a poor negotiator- this is impactful moving forward for future trades, signings, etc.
I acknowledge we had little leverage with Kessel's NTC and that he had to be moved. But taking salary back on the deal was the kicker. I'm not convinced we couldn't have gotten a lot better.
Re: Andersen, I see that trade as a separate transaction. It's clear we won the deal (from our perspective, value wise) but Ducks also had no leverage and we hit the goalie market at a fortunate and lucky time. After the Jones, Lehner trade, we were able to get a steal.
Should be here, at least for the foreseeable future. If we're trading him now, we're probably going to be selling low on Kappy. He's probably undervalued for his upside. Speedy and skilled 2-way player, with utility (able to play the PK), that is having a great year in the AHL at his age. He'd immediately be the fastest player on the team if he were called up today.
We traded and retained on Kessel to get him. If he doesn't pan out, the Kessel deal looks even more bad. Not to say we shouldn't have done it, but retrospectively, Dubas got taken to the cleaners on it.
Shanahan made the trade. Not Dubas. Why do you keep claiming dubas made the trade? And that first we got turned into Andersen which is a legitimate NHL caliber player whether you like it or not. It didn't just stay a first forever. Nor will kapanen stay in the ahl forever.
The point was to turn the page on that era, and mission accomplished.
He may have been involved but from what I read in articles at the time, Dubas was the one who orchestrated it/did most if not all of the negotiation.
You are incorrect.
What if Vegas offers us a solid, controllable, 2nd pair dman for Kapanen? Its a deal I would strongly consider.
The purpose of retention is exactly a situation like this. We met a cap challenged teams needs & got the trade completed. Who gives a rats ass that we retained, we still have 2 slots & so long as we don't efff up any future contracts like the old management did, we are good.
& it wasn't Dubas, it was Shanahan, who was already working on bringing Lou on board for a few months.