Rosters and Ratings: Player ratings for NHL14

[n00bxQb]

You're basing your numbers on BAGM? Player growth in BAGM is terribly flawed.

This sentence in my OP wasn't a dead giveaway or anything ...

The scale is mainly for BAGM based on how players progress in NHL 13

So instead of trying to reduce the flaws through what I can control (the rosters), I should use EA's rosters or base my rosters on EA's Year 0 ratings which exacerbates the flaws? Seems logical ...

 

[n00bxQb]

Wow, I never thought about player ratings that way. Great post

Thanks I've actually been putting a ton of research into my rosters for NHL 14. If you've noticed that my Dynasty updates usually go dormant just after my last season ended or just before my new season is about to begin, it's because I've been simulating seasons using EA's rosters to collect data, collecting data from NHL.com and other sources (for advanced statistics), creating algorithms for specific attributes and OVR ratings based on statistical data and EA's ratings for attributes that can't be reasonably quantified through statistical data. So every time I finish a season in my dynasty, I simulate a season with my data collection league, which usually burns a couple of days because I'm on PS3 and we all know how slow BAGM sims on PS3

Next year, assuming EA doesn't change much, I'm hoping it'll translate into a much better dynasty.

 

[Kris Chreider]

EA is pretty bad at ratings.

My NYR ratings:

Hagelin(81)-Stepan(86)-Callahan(83)
Nash(88)-Brassard(82)-Zuccarello(81)
Clowe(82)-Richards(80)-Kreider(80)
Miller(79)-Boyle(78)-Dorsett(80)

McDonagh(84)-Girardi(83)
Staal(87)-Stralman(81)
Moore(80)-Del Zotto(83)

Lundqvist(93)

 

[odishabs]

Max Pacioretty - 84
Tomas Plekanec - 84
Rene Bourque - 82
Lars Eller - 80
Brian Gionta - 80
Brendan Gallagher - 79
Brandon Prust - 79
Alex Galchenyuk -78
David Desharnais - 78
Travis Moen - 75
Ryan White - 75

PK Subban - 87
Andrei Markov - 83
Josh Gorges - 80
Raphael Diaz - 79
Alexei Emelin - 79
Francis Bouillon - 75
Jarred Tinordi - 75

Carey Price - 85
Peter Budaj - 79

 

[odishabs]

EA is pretty bad at ratings.

My NYR ratings:

Hagelin(81)-Stepan(86)-Callahan(83)
Nash(88)-Brassard(82)-Zuccarello(81)
Clowe(82)-Richards(80)-Kreider(80)
Miller(79)-Boyle(78)-Dorsett(80)

McDonagh(84)-Girardi(83)
Staal(87)-Stralman(81)
Moore(80)-Del Zotto(83)

Lundqvist(93)

tooooooooooo highhhhhhhhh

 

[SmokeyDuck]

Ryan(84)-Getzlaf(90)-Perry(86)
Palmieri(81)-Bonino(81)-Etem(78)
Cogliano(80)-Koivu(80)-Winnik(79)
Maroon(75)-Steckel(75)-Smith-Pelly(74)

Beauchemin(85)-Souray(78)
Fowler(82)-Lovejoy(79)
Sbisa(80)-Allen(78)

Hiller(85)
Fasth(80)
Anderson(75)

 

[Flyers8]

I'll do the Flyers based off of this system:

Elite forward/D-man-90+
1st forward line/Top 2 D-83-89
2nd forward line/Top 4 D-75-82
3rd forward line/Top 6 D-67-74
4th forward line-59-66
Extra skaters-58 and below

Goalies
Elite-88+
Starter-80-87
Backup-72-79
3rd String-64-71
Other-63 and below

Claude Giroux - 90
Jakub Voracek - 86
Wayne Simmonds - 80
Scott Hartnell - 78
Brayden Schenn - 79
Daniel Briere - 79
Matt Read - 81
Simon Gagne - 74
Sean Couturier - 75
Maxime Talbot - 72
Ruslan Fedotenko - 70
Mike Knuble - 64
Tye McGinn - 70
Adam Hall - 65
Zac Rinaldo - 68
Jay Rosehill - 62
Jody Shelley - 59

Kimmo Timonen - 78
Braydon Coburn - 79
Andrej Meszaros - 80
Luke Schenn - 74
Erik Gustafsson - 73
Oliver Lauridsen - 71
Nicklas Grossman - 76
Kurtis Foster - 70
Kent Huskins - 71
Bruno Gervais - 67
Andreas Lilja - 62

Steve Mason - 82
Ilya Bryzgalov - 81
Brian Boucher - 67

 

[getzforfighting*]

Ryan(85)-Getzlaf(89)-Perry(86)
Palmieri(79)-Bonino(76)-Etem(74)
Cogliano(80)-Koivu(80)-Winnik(78)
Maroon(74)-Steckel(75)-Smith-Pelly(72)

Beauchemin(85)-Souray(78)
Fowler(82)-Lovejoy(79)
Sbisa(80)-Allen(75)

Hiller(83)
Fasth(80)
Anderson(73)

fixed to my thoughts.

 

[ARSix]

The Canucks franchise forwards really need to be nerfed a few points next year. Same with Hamhuis and Edler, they're not worthy of 88 OVR.

Sedin (87) Sedin (87) Burrows (84)
Booth (82) Kesler (85) Higgins (79)
Raymond (77) Roy (83) Hansen (82)
Weise (76) Lapierre (76) Kassian (77)

Garrison (84) Hamhuis (85)
Bieksa (83) Edler (85)
Tanev (80) Alberts (75)

Schneider (87)
Luongo (86)

 

[CP31]

This is how it should be

Pacioretty(73) Desharnais(61) Gallagher(65)
Bourque(67) Plekanec(75) Gionta(65)
Galchenyuk(62) Eller(63) Prust(50)
Moen(43) Halpern(49) Armstrong(44)

Gorges(67) Subban(87)
Markov(63) Emelin(61)
Tinordi(52) Boullion(52)

Price(87)
Budaj(62)


Other examples

Crosby(97)
Ovi(93)
Stammer(89)
Datsyuk(87)
Malkin(94)

Lundquist(93)


Average OHL players are 0-35
Average AHL players are 20-50

Really wish there was this kind of separation.

 

[MichiganWolverines]

Pittsburgh Penguins


Forwards:

Chris Kunitz (84) - Sidney Crosby (96) - Pascal Dupuis (83)

Jarome Iginla (84) - Evgeni Malkin (93) - James Neal (86)

Matt Cooke (79) - Brandon Sutter (81) - Brenden Morrow (81)

Craig Adams (73) - Joe Vitale (76) - Tyler Kennedy (79)

Scratches: Beau Bennett (77), Jussi Jokinen (78), Dustin Jeffrey (74), Tanner Glass (72), Steve MacIntyre (65).


Defensemen:

Kris Letang (88) - Matt Niskanen (82)

Brooks Orpik (84) - Paul Martin (85)

Douglas Murray (82) - Deryk Engelland (78)

Scratches: Mark Eaton (75), Simon Despres (78), Robert Bortuzzo (75).

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

This is how it should be

Pacioretty(73) Desharnais(61) Gallagher(65)
Bourque(67) Plekanec(75) Gionta(65)
Galchenyuk(62) Eller(63) Prust(50)
Moen(43) Halpern(49) Armstrong(44)

Gorges(67) Subban(87)
Markov(63) Emelin(61)
Tinordi(52) Boullion(52)

Price(87)
Budaj(62)


Other examples

Crosby(97)
Ovi(93)
Stammer(89)
Datsyuk(87)
Malkin(94)

Lundquist(93)


Average OHL players are 0-35
Average AHL players are 20-50

Really wish there was this kind of separation.

That game would probably sell 2 copies. One to you, and one to the OP.


Absolutely horrible rankings.

 

[Chieftans22*]

Forwards

Marchand (84) - Bergeron (87) - Jagr (80)
Lucic (86) - Krejci (86) - Horton (82)
Peverly (79) - Kelly (78) - Seguin (84)
Paille (78) - Campbell (78) - Thornton (76)

Defense

Chara (90) - Hamilton (83)
Seidenberg (86) - Krug (79)
Boychuck (82) - Bartkowski (80)

Goalies

Rask (87)
Khudobin (80)

 

[Fin9*]

Forwards

Marchand (84) - Bergeron (87) - Jagr (80)
Lucic (86) - Krejci (86) - Horton (82)
Peverly (79) - Kelly (78) - Seguin (84)
Paille (78) - Campbell (78) - Thornton (76)

Defense

Chara (90) - Hamilton (83)
Seidenberg (86) - Krug (79)
Boychuck (82) - Bartkowski (80)



Goalies

Rask (87)
Khudobin (80)

Thats one of the best i´ve seen around here GJ. Krug, Hamilton and Bartkowski are maybe a little too high, but the forward rankings are very solid.

 

[ILoveStephanieBrown]

Why are people trying to guess at what players' overalls will be? Just go through every player (if you have the time) and tweak each particular attribute to what you feel is realistic and be done with it. Whatever the overall number comes out to, it comes out to. That's what I've always done.

 

[izzy]

Some of them might not be there, but I'm using the Jason Arnott sticks with the Blues style EA went with last year.

These are what I think EA will have as ratings, not my personal opinion.

David Backes-84
Patrik Berglund-83
Adam Cracknell-74
Evgeny Grachev-75
Dmitrij Jaskin-68
Jamie Langenbrunner-79
Andy McDonald-80
Andrew Murray-72
Scott Nichol-73
T. J. Oshie-83
David Perron-84
Chris Porter-76
Ryan Reaves-72
Jaden Schwartz-77
Vladimir Sobotka-79
Alexander Steen-81
Chris Stewart-85
Vladimir Tarasenko-82

Jay Bouwmeester-86
Ian Cole-76
Jani Hakanpaa-70
Barret Jackman-82
Jordan Leopold-82
Alex Pietrangelo-87
Roman Polak-80
Kris Russell-78
Kevin Shattenkirk-84

Jake Allen-76
Brian Elliott-82
Jaroslav Halak-85

 

[Ryanf1193]

Some of them might not be there, but I'm using the Jason Arnott sticks with the Blues style EA went with last year.

These are what I think EA will have as ratings, not my personal opinion.

David Backes-84
Patrik Berglund-83
Adam Cracknell-74
Evgeny Grachev-75
Dmitrij Jaskin-68
Jamie Langenbrunner-79
Andy McDonald-80
Andrew Murray-72
Scott Nichol-73
T. J. Oshie-83
David Perron-84
Chris Porter-76
Ryan Reaves-72
Jaden Schwartz-77
Vladimir Sobotka-79
Alexander Steen-81
Chris Stewart-85
Vladimir Tarasenko-82

Jay Bouwmeester-86
Ian Cole-76
Jani Hakanpaa-70
Barret Jackman-82
Jordan Leopold-82
Alex Pietrangelo-87
Roman Polak-80
Kris Russell-78
Kevin Shattenkirk-84

Jake Allen-76
Brian Elliott-82
Jaroslav Halak-85

if that's what you think EA will rate them, then wouldn't that be your personal opinion? lol

 

[CP31]

That game would probably sell 2 copies. One to you, and one to the OP.


Absolutely horrible rankings.

Why? This series DESPERATELY needs player seperation. Any player feels the same as Crosby in this game. NBA 2k has beautiful seperation. You ALWAYS have to watch out for the Lebrons, Kobe's etc but in NHL you can just treat ovechkin like everyone else because they basically are the same.

 

[izzy]

if that's what you think EA will rate them, then wouldn't that be your personal opinion? lol

Thats my personal opinion of what I think EA will rate them,,,

Not my personal opinion of what I think they should be rated

 

[oconnor9sean]

Eriksson (86) - Benn (88) - Chiasson (77)
Whitney (82) - Eakin (80)- Cole (83)
Roussel (77)- Nystrom (80) - Fiddler (79)
MacDermid (71) - Garbutt(73) - Fraser (76)

Dillon (83) - Goligoski (85)
Daley (81) _ Robidas (81)
Larsen(75)-Rome(76)

Lehtonen(89)
Bachman(80)

 

[Ryanf1193]

Thats my personal opinion of what I think EA will rate them,,,

Not my personal opinion of what I think they should be rated

oooh I see

 

[Bluejackets009]

Columbus Blue Jackets -

Marian Gaborik - 84
Vaclav Prospal - 79
Brandon Dubinsky - 79
Artem Anisimov - 78
Mark Letestu - 77
RJ Umberger - 77
Nick Foligno - 77
Cam Atkinson - 76
Ryan Johansen - 76
Matthew Calvert - 75
Blake Comeau - 75
Derek MacKenzie - 74
Jared Boll - 73
Colton Gillies - 73

Jack Johnson - 82
Fedor Tyutin - 81
James Wisniewski - 79
Nikita Nikitin - 77
Dalton Prout - 75
Tim Erixon - 75
Adrian Aucoin - 75
Ryan Murray - 74
Cody Goloubef - 73
David Savard - 72

Sergei Bobrovsky - 86
Michael Leighton - 78

Gaborik? 84? There's no way he's at least going to be a 87
Letestu should be an 81
JJ is 88
Murray 79
Wisniewski 83
Tyutin 82
Atkinson 80
Foligno 82
Bobrovsky 84 or 85
Johansen 81 (face offs should be high, defensive aspects high)
Anisimov 82
Prospal 83

 

[Deku]

Gaborik? 84? There's no way he's at least going to be a 87
Letestu should be an 81
JJ is 88
Murray 79
Wisniewski 83
Tyutin 82
Atkinson 80
Foligno 82
Bobrovsky 84 or 85
Johansen 81 (face offs should be high, defensive aspects high)
Anisimov 82
Prospal 83

I agree with these, except I'd say JJ is more like an 86 or 85.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Canucks:

Alberts: 73
Ballard: 79
Barker: 68
Bieksa: 82
Booth: 80
Burrows: 82
Corrado: 71
Ebbett: 69
Edler: 86
Garrison: 86
Hamhuis: 86
Hansen: 79
Higgins: 80
Kassian: 75
Kesler: 87
Lappierre: 76
Luongo: 88
Malhotra: 77
Pinizzatto: 70
Raymond: 78
Roy: 83
Schneider: 88
D.Sedin: 90
H.Sedin: 90
Sestito: 70
Tanev: 78
Weise: 72

Now only way this game actually has working ratings is if top chl players start off at mid 70s. So guys like jones mackinnon should already be something like 76 ovr coming out of the draft because let's face it those guys are much better than half the league already. Why make us wait for a roster update after they have played 9 games a month into the season so they get bumped from their 62 ovrs to 78+.

Top end chl players can go into the high 70s but most players are in the low 60s. For AHL players top out mis 70s as some of the players in the ahl are top prospects stuck behind depth. The rest end up in the mid-high 60s.

The bottom NHLers should be worse than the top chlers as guys like mackinnon drouin jones Barkov will be better than them come 1st game regular season next season. However they should be on par/a bit better than older top players in the chl. So for example a fringe NHLer who has a secure spot on a 4th line should be about a 70-72 ovr. A top ahl player that isn't really a prospect anymore so 25+ should be 68-70 ovr

Oh and fix the potentials. 3 star yellow should too out if you get lucky at 76ish ovr with the average topping out around 73/74. 3.5 could have a max out of 79 with the average being 75/76

 

[Shrimper]

Forwards:

Chris Kunitz (83) - Sidney Crosby (97) - Pascal Dupuis (82)

Jarome Iginla (82) - Evgeni Malkin (93) - James Neal (86)

Matt Cooke (77) - Brandon Sutter (80) - Brenden Morrow (80)

Craig Adams (73) - Joe Vitale (78) - Tyler Kennedy (75)

Scratches: Beau Bennett (79), Jussi Jokinen (78), Dustin Jeffrey (74), Tanner Glass (1), Steve MacIntyre (65).


Defensemen:

Kris Letang (86) - Matt Niskanen (81)

Brooks Orpik (83) - Paul Martin (86)

Douglas Murray (82) - Deryk Engelland (77)

Scratches: Mark Eaton (77), Simon Despres (80), Robert Bortuzzo (76).

Goaltenders:

Fleury (84)
Vokoun (83)