Phoenix LXIII: I Have Become Comfortably Numb

[tarheelhockey]

oh did I forget the to make the sarcasm more obvious?

No, the sarcasm was dripping off every word. As was mean-spiritedness.

I'm sure you don't see anything wrong with it, or you wouldn't have posted it. I won't waste both of our time trying to explain why it's not cool to lampoon people who are getting ready to mourn their team.

 

[saskganesh]

This board condoned open season on "jetties." I don't see why we should make an exception for any other fanbase.

 

[aqib]

Phoenix LXIX: Longer than a term in Congress, and even less progress!
Phoenix LXIX: Hanging chads got nothing on this!
Phoenix LXIX: Indecision 2012 (and 2011 and 2010 and 2009)
Phoenix LXIX: So long Cactus Phil, keep it real (but not lucid)

I think LXIV is next. I think someone a while back suggested. Will You still read me will you still need me Phoenix LXIV

 

[kdb209]

I think LXIV is next. I think someone a while back suggested. Will You still read me will you still need me Phoenix LXIV

Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?

Coming soon to a BoH Board near you:

11-08-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?

 

[AllByDesign]

No, the sarcasm was dripping off every word. As was mean-spiritedness.

I'm sure you don't see anything wrong with it, or you wouldn't have posted it. I won't waste both of our time trying to explain why it's not cool to lampoon people who are getting ready to mourn their team.

There has been a consistency in this poster's timbre for some time. Only separated by the time between pendulum swings in the story.

 

[aqib]

Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?

Coming soon to a BoH Board near you.

Yes thats the one. I insist thats the one we go with.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This board condoned open season on "jetties." I don't see why we should make an exception for any other fanbase.

It shouldn't have condoned open season on anybody. TBH, I don't remember that happening but then again I take long breaks from this board precisely because of the hostile atmosphere that overwhelms the dialogue at times.

Perhaps instead of using old sore spots as a precedent to piss on the graves of other fanbases, we could... y'know... not.

 

[OthmarAmmann]

Joyce Clark was on the radio today with a few of pieces of information I'll pass along. You may chew..... spit...... regurgitate on it at your leisure......

-- Greg Jamison will be in Glendale this Wednesday (11/7) to discuss the revised AMF with Skeete..... and apparently will also be meeting with council members.

-- Clark has looked over a copy of the current revised AMF as it stands and estimated roughly 90% of it is the same as the original Jamison AMF.

-- There are exactly three items left to be worked out. Jamison's visit on Wednesday is for addressing those three items. Do not know what these items are or how large a part they play in the revision.

-- Per previous ruling in the GWI v Glendale suit..... Once the revised AMF is finalized it is to be made public at least one week prior to a council vote. Clark estimated that may not take place until late November or first week in December.

-- Revised AMF would be open for a referendum drive (ala Ken Jones) if it passes a council vote (for those who think a signature drive by hordes of Canadians would help, Ken might be accommodating . ).

So in a bit more than two weeks. Interesting the would do it before the next council was sworn in - not that it would really make a difference.

oh did I forget the to make the sarcasm more obvious?

Whoops. Can't believe I did that.

 

[Whileee]

Joyce Clark was on the radio today with a few of pieces of information I'll pass along. You may chew..... spit...... regurgitate on it at your leisure......

-- Greg Jamison will be in Glendale this Wednesday (11/7) to discuss the revised AMF with Skeete..... and apparently will also be meeting with council members.

-- Clark has looked over a copy of the current revised AMF as it stands and estimated roughly 90% of it is the same as the original Jamison AMF.

-- There are exactly three items left to be worked out. Jamison's visit on Wednesday is for addressing those three items. Do not know what these items are or how large a part they play in the revision.

-- Per previous ruling in the GWI v Glendale suit..... Once the revised AMF is finalized it is to be made public at least one week prior to a council vote. Clark estimated that may not take place until late November or first week in December.

-- Revised AMF would be open for a referendum drive (ala Ken Jones) if it passes a council vote (for those who think a signature drive by hordes of Canadians would help, Ken might be accommodating . ).

Interesting. So if the new lease is pretty much the same as the previous one, with a few small changes, why has it take so long to prepare? (Answer: to delay considering it or voting on it until after the election.)

It seems that Clark is indicating that the GWI v Glendale suit is the reason that they will provide the information to the public at least one week prior to the council vote, thereby preventing the COG from ramming it through without giving citizens an opportunity to review it properly. It seems to me that the COG would have wanted to do that in the first place, but the citizens needed the GWI to force the COG to do the right thing.

So, they won't be trying to pass this as an "Emergency Ordinance". That's funny. It was an "Emergency" in May/June (after the season), but it isn't in late November / December just as the upcoming season is ready to kick in.

I'm not sure what the political landscape in Glendale will look like after the election, but if the sales tax increase is maintained, then I wouldn't be surprised to see a larger group of folks working with Ken Jones et al. to push the Jamison lease to a referendum. It seems that folks have put a lot of effort into stopping sales tax increases, and if they lose in the vote, they might well want to take out their frustration on the COG and their bid spend on Jamison's AMF. I have always found it goofy and stupid for the COG to let the Coyotes lease by linked so closely to the tax increase and budget / staff cuts. The timing has been incredibly bad.

 

[Gotaf7]

Has Gongdale found out who is trying to purchase the NHL Coyotes?

 

[Puckschmuck*]

Great job trolling the few Coyotes fans loyal enough to still put up with this board, aqib! That'll keep them from feeling like this is a welcoming place to discuss the situation!

On a less sarcastic note, how about we not act like ***holes to people who are faced with losing their team in the immediate future.

Don't worry......

After three years of putting up with trolling via Hamilton, Winnipeg, and lately Quebec City..... we're kinda used to it.

Grow some thicker skins, guys. It was a joke, and the reason it's funny is because it's not too far off from reality. If you can't have a sense of humor in these situations, then I guess you will be crying yourselves to sleep every night until it's over.

 

[Puckschmuck*]

TBH, I don't remember that happening

That's pretty convenient, because I remember it like it was yesterday

 

[tarheelhockey]

That's pretty convenient, because I remember it like it was yesterday

I don't think you'd make it up, so I'll take your word for it.

 

[ajmidd12]

It shouldn't have condoned open season on anybody. TBH, I don't remember that happening but then again I take long breaks from this board precisely because of the hostile atmosphere that overwhelms the dialogue at times.

Perhaps instead of using old sore spots as a precedent to piss on the graves of other fanbases, we could... y'know... not.

"....just a little pin *****, there'll be no more (OOOOWWWWWW)....

I feel for you guys, but really I've read some of the very nasty things the "fans" were saying about Winnipeg, Hamilton, and now Quebec. It sucks to lose a team, we did it. But the financial well being of the community is much more important, maybe in 15 years you guys will be thriving and will have your second shot much like we did.

And I probably won't lose sleep over Phoenix moving, in fact it would be the bittersweet ending to a nightmare saga as harsh as that sounds your team is one of the few keeping this league from moving forward.

 

[Slashers98]

I'm sorry but I won't shed a tear when the Coyotes leave Phoenix.
When we lost the Nordiques, nobody from Colorado cried for us!

 

[CasualFan]

Interesting. So if the new lease is pretty much the same as the previous one, with a few small changes, why has it take so long to prepare?

Is it taking a long time because the objective is having a destitute city provide a non-viable business with a large scale subsidy that's illegal in the state? Probably.

Also, according to the report posted here, it's not done. It's been about a month or so since the workshop kicked off the redraft and they are still trying to negotiate terms. So, that's another good sign.

I have always found it goofy and stupid for the COG to let the Coyotes lease by linked so closely to the tax increase and budget / staff cuts. The timing has been incredibly bad.

Well, since the current budget problems and the tax are largely due and for the Coyotes, it's kind of hard to not have them linked. I'm not sure there's a way to improve the timing on that.

 

[New User Name]

I don't think any city has been given as many second chances as Glendale.

You can ***** and moan about evil Canadians or the evil Canadian media all you want, bottom line is no ones to blame but those that didn't support the team.

Most Canadians are in favour (from what I've read/heard) of increased revenue sharing knowing full well that most (if not all) of the Canadian teams pay into it. The health and welfare of the NHL is what counts...not what country the team is in.

I really would love to know who the hardliners are amongst the owners.

Canada IMO can only realistically support 3 more teams (Hamilton area, Markham, QC) and that would just increase the health of the league.

So let's divvy up the TV revenue and get on to starting the season.

Ya hear Mr Snider?

 

[NHLfan4life]

I'm sorry but I won't shed a tear when the Coyotes leave Phoenix.
When we lost the Nordiques, nobody from Colorado cried for us!

So you're no better than the fans in Colorado? Noted.

We had nothing to do with it.

Either way, the pendulum swings so suddenly around here. Today may be a different story as we all know.

 

[cbcwpg]

We had nothing to do with it.

This is what everyone forgets. It's not as if the fans put all their money together and then go buy a team from another group of fans in another city. The fans have nothing to do with it.

People in Winnipeg dislike people in Phoenix
People in Quebec City dislike people in Denver
People in Atlanta dislike people in Winnipeg
People in Phoenix might end up disliking people in Quebec City or Seattle or wherever.

Water off a ducks back. Fans have no control over the sale / movement of teams.

 

[Gump Hasek]

This board condoned open season on "jetties." I don't see why we should make an exception for any other fanbase.

Precisely.

I clearly recall one specific poster here that continually and derisively referred to us with that "jetties" term, the one that always laughed at and mocked anyone who dared suggest the possibility of Winnipeg returning to the NHL and claimed it would never work. I also recall the myriad of other posters on this board that joined in with his mocking and told us the market was too small, the owner would soon go broke, etc.

Fast forward to today and the Jets are sold out several years in advance at the box office and have a paid wait list for season tickets that is capped at 8,000 individual accounts, and it turns out that many of those that mocked Jets fans on this board actually hail from marginal US markets that have now been left behind by traditional hockey markets. It turns out that what truly matters is the number of hockey fans that reside in a market versus simple market size, and this is borne out by the economics of the game today. It seems that the NHL is best served by marketing to its core fan base versus simply trying to manufacture markets elsewhere, especially when that is being done at the expense of those core fans.

Speaking personally, I'm so looking forward the day that the Coyotes are either contracted or moved. Hopefully they are moved to a market that is capable of paying its own bills versus continually relying upon the welfare of others.

 

[powerstuck]

Let's face the reality. When I said I hope CoG would not decide to cut more personnel instead of cutting the Coyotes AMF if the tax is overturned I was sincere and serious.

I'll give it to you, I DO NOT care about financial health of Glendale per say nor do you care about financial health of any city but the one you live in. But, where I am worried is, if 5 old people (sorry CoG Councilmembers) can decide to spend $300M on pro-sports while they can't assure safe streets and prompt fire response it's a bad socio-economical sign.

I am worried because last time US Economy tanked, whole ****ing world followed it. There is like three countries in the world that currently make money (Germany, China and Dubai), everyone else in on credit card since a longtime ago. And if CoG can spend $300M quite easily, what or who can make sure some bozo in Wallstreet doesn't spend $300G of our money.

It worries me because YOU guys in the US have to make a choice today, a very important one, and lets face it, it will once again have a big impact on the whole word...and I'm worried that some of you will go with the guy that thinks earning $200k per year is middle income while has millions and millions of people jobless in a 300M country.

I am also worried because even here in Quebec, we have some dumb**** playing 24/7. We just saw a major of Montreal resign because there was corruption claims about his government and his party. The dude claims he didn't know mafia was all over the city affairs and that his party finances were so legit they had a safe so full of money they could not even close it.

And I am scared because when he says he didn't know anything about it, I believe him, I believe him because there are 1000s of Gary Bettmans behind politicians making them believe the ideas they are pushing are great while looking after their own interest only.

I don't know if we can believe some bullcrap Clark shouts out about Coyotes, but then, when I see what is happening elsewhere, I gotta believe that whatever Clark says, she effin truly believes every word of it and would be ready to die for it.

 

[Whileee]

Is it taking a long time because the objective is having a destitute city provide a non-viable business with a large scale subsidy that's illegal in the state? Probably.

Also, according to the report posted here, it's not done. It's been about a month or so since the workshop kicked off the redraft and they are still trying to negotiate terms. So, that's another good sign.

Well, since the current budget problems and the tax are largely due and for the Coyotes, it's kind of hard to not have them linked. I'm not sure there's a way to improve the timing on that.

I don't think that the COG has shown any signs that real financial analysis or considerations will deter them from signing a very expensive lease. They have shown that they are prepared to have bogus financial analyses presented to the public, and try to shut down public discussion to ram this through. I still think that the only reason that they have delayed this lease finalization and public presentation is to try to get Clark and another pro-Jamison lease council member re-elected. However, I think that they face some significant obstacles now that their dire financial situation has become more publicly known. First, if the sales tax increase is overturned, I think that even Skeete and a council member or two will reverse their support for the deal, considering the carnage that would result in their budget and staff cuts. Second, if the sales tax increase is retained, those that opposed it so vociferously might well train their attention on the Jamison lease deal and council members who support it (watch out Knaack). There will likely be a lot of resentment that the sales tax increase is being retained, and the CoG is spending a large portion of the proceeds to subsidize Jamison. I think we might expect to see a much more organized and ultimately successful referendum effort to negate the Jamison lease.

I agree that the Jamison lease and the budgetary problems are closely linked, but they could have probably rammed through the lease several months ago (in January or February, for example), before they started public discussions about the budget. If the Jamison lease were a fait accompli before the public budget process, people might have been ticked off but would not have been able to do much to stop it.

 

[dennilfloss]

Phoenix LXIV: Jamieson, Superstar! Do you think you're who they say you are?

 

[GuelphStormer]

No, the sarcasm was dripping off every word. As was mean-spiritedness.

I'm sure you don't see anything wrong with it, or you wouldn't have posted it. I won't waste both of our time trying to explain why it's not cool to lampoon people who are getting ready to mourn their team.

perhaps you should have loaded up the minivan with a few friends and taken them to the games then. sorry man, but this entire mess could have been completely avoided had people simply gone to the games. the ONLY party in this entire fiasco that had any control was the fans. it's not like there wasn't a quality product on the ice. you blew it and its been agonizing these past three years to read y'all blame everyone but yourselves.

 

[powerstuck]

Phoenix LXIV: Jamieson, Superstar! Do you think you're who they say you are?

kdb already got the next title, but for the next next one it would be pretty good. We all know this ain't over just yet.