A new stat *publically available every yearits like there is a new stat every year
A new stat *publically available every year
This doesn't make me feel better
Sounds like Boras.A new stat *publically available every year
This doesn't make me feel better
TNSTAAPPSounds like Boras disagreeing on how to move forward. They’ve disagreed on how to handle him before.
Or his arm is a hologram. *shrug*
Zolecki yesterday talking about how Phillies weren't worried about his long-term health was like... "OK... So what exactly do you mean by LONG-TERM"? If it was "Phillies aren't worried he'll miss significant time this season" that's a lot more of an explicit answer.A new stat *publically available every year
This doesn't make me feel better
Meh. "Everything gives you cancer, there's no cure, there's no answer."Now not even baseball fields are safe from toxic forever chemicals
Four samples of the turf used at Veterans Stadium were obtained by local reporters and tested for toxins, and scientists found the turf had detectable levels of 16 PFAS 'forever chemicals'.www.dailymail.co.uk
Cancer-linked forever chemicals have been found on samples from a Philadelphia stadium that previously hosted the city's MLB and NFL team.
Experts fear the toxins may have played a role in the brain cancer deaths of six former professional baseball players.
Four samples of the turf used at Veterans Stadium were obtained by local reporters and tested for toxins, and scientists found the turf had detectable levels of 16 PFAS 'forever chemicals'.
Now not even baseball fields are safe from toxic forever chemicals
Four samples of the turf used at Veterans Stadium were obtained by local reporters and tested for toxins, and scientists found the turf had detectable levels of 16 PFAS 'forever chemicals'.www.dailymail.co.uk
Cancer-linked forever chemicals have been found on samples from a Philadelphia stadium that previously hosted the city's MLB and NFL team.
Experts fear the toxins may have played a role in the brain cancer deaths of six former professional baseball players.
Four samples of the turf used at Veterans Stadium were obtained by local reporters and tested for toxins, and scientists found the turf had detectable levels of 16 PFAS 'forever chemicals'.
The Phillies have talked me out of it.Someone talk me out of switching to a full season of tickets.
Hey cool dailymail article. The only expert quoted in the story was Fox News Health Correspondent Dr [sic] Marc Seigel, despite the headline and article both claiming "experts suspect". It also identifies AstroTurf as a product "manufactured by agrochemical giant Monsanto", and calls a player who played for the Phillies a "former Philly".Now not even baseball fields are safe from toxic forever chemicals
Four samples of the turf used at Veterans Stadium were obtained by local reporters and tested for toxins, and scientists found the turf had detectable levels of 16 PFAS 'forever chemicals'.www.dailymail.co.uk
Cancer-linked forever chemicals have been found on samples from a Philadelphia stadium that previously hosted the city's MLB and NFL team.
Experts fear the toxins may have played a role in the brain cancer deaths of six former professional baseball players.
Four samples of the turf used at Veterans Stadium were obtained by local reporters and tested for toxins, and scientists found the turf had detectable levels of 16 PFAS 'forever chemicals'.
Hey cool dailymail article that features quotes from Fox News Health Correspondent Dr [sic] Marc Seigel and identifies AstroTurf as a product "manufactured by agrochemical giant Monsanto"
I think one of the main questions is, is this just the Vet?
The Vet stadium turf was the same turf used at a number of other stadiums. When it first came out you had AstroTurf (period) they were the only manufacturer. Sometime during the 70s you got 3M making an alternative artificial turf which I know was used at Three Rivers Stadium.
So why isn't there something similar going on for say Riverfront Stadium which used the same AstroTurf as the Vet?
Also some of the players were here a very short time like Ken Brett(1 season), Johnny Oates(2 seasons).
I know there are people who whenever this came out before talk about the Eagles playing there too, but they spend far less time on the surface than baseball players... and the artificial turf was known to give off fumes under intense heat which is when the baseball players were more likely to be on the surface than the football players.
One interesting thing to note of the 6 players. All of them except for Vukovich were either pitchers(Tug McGraw, David West and Ken Brett ) or catchers (Darren Daulton and Johnny Oates)
I've seen some people speculate perhaps pitchers/catchers going to their mouth to wet their hands at times may have contributed to getting toxic particles into their system.
Never once did I say there couldn't be a correlation Jojo, (in fact I wouldn't be surprised if there was) just that the information presented in the article is garbage speculation peddled by garbage sources. Doesn't even list the chemicals, just the buzzword "forever-chemicals". Red flags galore. Until something real is presented, it's just noise.I almost posted the Inquirer article yesterday. It's one of those things where there doesn't seem to be a scientific consensus, but that turf was the dirt worst by basically every measure.
Never once did I say there couldn't be a correlation Jojo, just that the information presented in the article is garbage speculation peddled by garbage sources. Doesn't even list the chemicals, just the buzzword "forever-chemicals". Red flags galore. Until something real is presented, it's just noise.
The crumb rubber is made from recycled tires. There's a reason they're not supposed to be burned. The speculative link is very clearly there, but retrospective analysis is not the method to identify any link here. In this situation it's inherently flawed, as it breeds conformation bias i.e. "correlation =\= causation".There was an informal study done related to Washington soccer communities and an absurdly high percentage of cancers involved Goalies too.
There was also a 3rd brand of turf that used polypropylene instead of nylon. I don’t know if it was used anywhere else, but it was definitely in the Orange Bowl. That's the one that famously turned blue in the UV exposure.
The crumb rubber is made from recycled tires. There's a reason they're not supposed to be burned. The speculative link is very clearly there, but retrospective analysis is not the method to identify any link here. In this situation it's inherently flawed, as it breeds conformation bias i.e. "correlation =\= causation".
If Fox News Experts (I'm sorry that's just too good to pass up, you know I mean actual environmental/oncology specialists) are really serious about identifying any connection, a decades long prospective analysis needs to occur. Thousands of kids need to be followed (phrasing?) into adulthood as they spend time on turf; the turf they play on, the amount of time spent on each type of turf, how each type of turf is treated/maintained, the chemicals used in the manufacturing of each type of turf, the position/sport they play, and some other variables that don't immediately come to mind right now all need to be documented. Then they need to be periodically screened for various cancers from adulthood into their elderly years. It would be quite a process, but a pretty basic one to be organized by those in the scientific community. Health science takes time.
Which is a shame because of there really is a link, changes need to be made to turf. Obviously.I just want to point out that I said the study was informal for reasons like these. Proper rigor takes time, effort, and planning. What's out there from good sources is upfront about it all being unclear. Like this for example: Artificial Turf and Cancer Risk
There's probably very little money to study these things properly, so I doubt we'll ever have a good answer.