Value of: Phil Kessel

[rt]

The Coyotes have moved on from Rick Tocchet and appear poised to re-build/tool yet again. Phil's end of season clean-out quotes made it pretty clear he's expecting to get traded.

He's 33 years old and has one year left of his contract with a remaining cap-hit of 6.8aav. The contract does have some trade protections but he seems more than willing to leave Arizona, at this point, so may be less choosy than he has traditional been when it comes to his trade clauses.

He put up 20 goals and 23 assists for 43 points in 56 games this season, which was good for first on the Coyotes in both goals and points. His pace per 82 games played would have been 29 goals and 63 points. This despite being 4th in EVTOI/GP among forwards on the Coyotes, who had the league's 23rd best offense.

I think Phil has one really good season left in him. I think on a good team he could put up at least 25 goals and at least 60 points. He was set to do that on the trash-fire Coyotes. So what's one last good season of Phil worth?

Let's say Arizona is willing to retain an additional 25% on his deal and bring that cap-hit down to 5.1aav.

Coyotes would ideally be looking for prospects and/or picks.

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[780il]

If the Oil can solve the depth issues and find a goalie in FA, I’d love to add Kessel to our top 6 more likely around the deadline next year. Would make us a legit contender for the ‘22 cup.

If we’re trading assets for a player in the summer I think it’ll have to be for a more long term fit with a younger guy.

 

[Lunatik]

The Coyotes have moved on from Rick Tocchet and appear poised to re-build/tool yet again. Phil's end of season clean-out quotes made it pretty clear he's expecting to get traded.

He's 33 years old and has one year left of his contract with a remaining cap-hit of 6.8aav. The contract does have some trade protections but he seems more than willing to leave Arizona, at this point, so may be less choosy than he has traditional been when it comes to his trade clauses.

He put up 20 goals and 23 assists for 43 points in 56 games this season, which was good for first on the Coyotes in both goals and points. His pace per 82 games played would have been 29 goals and 63 points. This despite being 4th in EVTOI/GP on the Coyotes, who had the league's 23rd best offense.

I think Phil has one really good season left in him. I think on a good team he could put up at least 25 goals and at least 60 points. He was set to do that on the trash-fire Coyotes. So what's one last good season of Phil worth?

Let's say Arizona is willing to retain an additional 25% on his deal and bring that cap-hit down to 5.1aav.

Coyotes would ideally be looking for prospects and/or picks.

I could see Calgary being interested in Phil n a retained salary deal. Not sure what picks/prospects he'd be worth though due to age and his play being so up and down since going to AZ

 

[rt]

I could see Calgary being interested in Phil n a retained salary deal. Not sure what picks/prospects he'd be worth though due to age and his play being so up and down since going to AZ

It wasn't really up and down. He was bad all of last season and good all of this season. He's had one bad year in his entire hockey career since he was a child. It was last season. He made up for it immediately.

 

[Lunatik]

It wasn't really up and down. He was bad all of last season and good all of this season. He's had one bad year in his entire hockey career since he was a child. It was last season. He made up for it immediately.

Sorry, down and then up... I was referring to the inconsistency in the two years. And at 33, people are going to question whether that "one bad year" was due to skills declining with age

 

[WingsMJN2965]

How does the retention work for a signing bonus?

Like, if he was traded before his signing bonus kicks in, does the team pay the percentage of the bonus they retained, or is the bonus paid by the team that holds the contract?

I ask because I'd be cool with Detroit retaining cap on him in return for a pick, but there's no way the organization would do it if they're paying a portion of $6M.

 

[Eggtimer]

Kessel should be what the Devils do until Holtz and Mercer are ready. One year is perfect and cap is not an issue.would be a very good winger for Hughes

 

[Groo]

Stay Puft-Marshmellow Man seems the type that would interest Doug Wilson.
Not that I'd like to see him in teal though

 

[rt]

Stay Puft-Marshmellow Man seems the type that would interest Doug Wilson.
Not that I'd like to see him in teal though

The Coyotes have been humiliatingly soft. I've really hated most of the players on the team and I've been embarrassed to be a fan the entire time Tocchet has been our coach. But I've never been frustrated with Phil for being soft or wanted to see fire and tenacity out of him. He is what he is. I was grumpy with him when he wasn't scoring. But he was great this year, no com0plaints from me. Not sure why anyone would be mad at Phil for soft play. He's Phil. I think we all know what he is. He's a supremely talented guy who's wildly popular with his teammates and will very, very quietly get you 60+ points in a way you barely notice.

 

[rt]

How does the retention work for a signing bonus?

Like, if he was traded before his signing bonus kicks in, does the team pay the percentage of the bonus they retained, or is the bonus paid by the team that holds the contract?

I ask because I'd be cool with Detroit retaining cap on him in return for a pick, but there's no way the organization would do it if they're paying a portion of $6M.

I'm confused? Are you suggesting he's a negative value player that you would take a pick in return for accepting on your team? He's much closer to being a 1st line bargain than a cap-dump....

 

[NHL WAR]

I'm confused? Are you suggesting he's a negative value player that you would take a pick in return for accepting on your team? He's much closer to being a 1st line bargain than a cap-dump....

Think they are suggesting the Red Wings be the third team involved (with the sole purpose of taking on cap for a pick) like with the Foligno and Savard trades

 

[rt]

Think they are suggesting the Red Wings be the third team involved (with the sole purpose of taking on cap for a pick) like with the Foligno and Savard trades

Ahhh...that makes way more sense. Thanks!

So to answer the question; yes, Detroit would be on the hook for a % of the signing bonus if he were acquired prior to the bonus being paid. And I expect Arizona is definitely looking to deal him prior to the signing bonus. If they can't find a fit before they have to cut the check, I'm sure they'd prefer to just keep him until the TDL. No rush to move him if 5mil of the 6mil he's owed is already paid. Might as well get the 20+ goals out of him before trading him at that point. I know I'd lose all interest in moving him if the bonus is paid.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Does he play defense?

 

[rt]

Kessel should be what the Devils do until Holtz and Mercer are ready. One year is perfect and cap is not an issue.would be a very good winger for Hughes

The Devils have a bunch of prospects I like. Patrick Moynihan, Michael Vukojevic, Daniil Misyul, Nikita Okhotyuk just to name a few. Obviously there are some guys a bit higher on the depth chart I like, too.

New Jersey seems really, really deep on prospect D. Especially on that left side, when you add Ty Smith, Kevin Bahl and Shakir Mukhamadullin to some of the names on the list above.

Arizona's prospect depth at LD is extremely shallow. There's really not much. There could be a fit for a Kessel trade here, I think.

 

[DarthProbert]

Kessel should be what the Devils do until Holtz and Mercer are ready. One year is perfect and cap is not an issue.would be a very good winger for Hughes

Foote straight up?

 

[vtdevils2k]

Foote straight up?

Nolan Foote? No chance.

Fitzgerald wants players that fit in with the core in that 20-25 year old range.

Kessel isn't a fit and should go to a win now team.

 

[rt]

Foote straight up?

That might be a bit rich. Daniil Misyul and Tyce Thompson are high on my list, though.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Nolan Foote? No chance.

Fitzgerald wants players that fit in with the core in that 20-25 year old range.

Kessel isn't a fit and should go to a win now team.

Phil makes no sense for the Devils. He makes plenty of sense for a playoff team in their window who could use a PP specialist and still has some juice at even strength.

 

[rt]

Phil makes no sense for the Devils. He makes plenty of sense for a playoff team in their window who could use a PP specialist and still has some juice at even strength.

The Islanders seem like the perfect destination. They’ve got everything but scoring. I think Scott Mayfield makes a ton of sense for AZ. Kieffer Bellows, too. Doubt we get both for Kessel. But I could see one or the other.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Can we have Bahl back please

 

[FameFlame069]

Flames? Kessel at 5.1(Det 1.5M so 3.6M)

Det gets 1st 23 Cgy for 1.5M
Ari gets Kylington and Ruzicka
Cgy gets Kessel at 3.6M


Edit also how much would Hammer cost Cgy?

 

[rt]

Flames? Kessel at 5.1(Det 1.5M so 3.6M)

Det gets 1st 23 Cgy for 1.5M
Ari gets Kylington and Ruzicka
Cgy gets Kessel at 3.6M


Edit also how much would Hammer cost Cgy?

Hjalmarsson is UFA. Not interested in that return for Kessel.

 

[Turin]

Phil still controls where he goes and since he’s not easily adaptable I can’t imagine getting more than a mid round pick for him if anything.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

I know Vegas has scoring issues. Might be a good fit while their core is still in contention. Especially if you can retain.

Maybe a second tier playoff team looks at him as a cheaper option? Someone like Nashville, or St. Louis? Maybe the Islanders give you a good pick if you can take back someone on the IR, like Boychuk?

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Flames? Kessel at 5.1(Det 1.5M so 3.6M)

Det gets 1st 23 Cgy for 1.5M
Ari gets Kylington and Ruzicka
Cgy gets Kessel at 3.6M


Edit also how much would Hammer cost Cgy?

That’s not good business to give up a 1st round pick for 1.5mil x 1 season of Kessel retention.