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Besides the fact that Nylander is untouchable, you think the incremental difference (there isn't any) between Rielly and Ghost is worth giving up nylander?
Eklund Rumor: PHI offering TOR a defenseman for William Nylander
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Besides the fact that Nylander is untouchable, you think the incremental difference (there isn't any) between Rielly and Ghost is worth giving up nylander?
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Embarrassing. What in the world would make you think the Leafs would even contemplate that?
Imagine thinking you could get a top line winger for a healthy scratch cap dump.
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On behalf of all Flyers fans I would like to apologize to you. While Ghost isn't as bad as you've made him out to be and Laughton isn't just some random throw in, they don't come close to netting a player like Willie.
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Ghost was a healthy scratch multiple times 3 months ago. What else is there to know. That's the whole story.
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4 of them? Come on. What nhl team requires a Nylander, and if they don't have a Nylander then you better have 4 wingers to play 1 RW position.
Scoring is great for fantasy, bragging rights, and hockey pools. You can also win a hockey game with contributions in other positions. The leafs have all kinds of firepower, but with what success?
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That doesn't mean much when he was in AV's dog house and held to a standard objectively worse players weren't held to. I don't think the trade happens by the way, just thinking that is the closest to reality given cap situations.
I think Ghost will bounce back and get 60 points in a season, maybe not with the Flyers which is a shame. Unlike Ghost, Nylander hasn't had a season with 65 points. A healthy Ghost is the Leafs' number 2, Nylander would be in the Flyers' middle six . The value isn't that far off.
What? Your post makes zero sense. Flyers at 11 forwards not including Frost or Patrick or Rubstov. Is TOR only team that can use ELC players??
And Phila has 6 D already. Myers bumps someone into the pressbox...
Are you high, son
MarkusKetterer
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Other than Kerfoot, none of those are passable NHL players (yet). So one would hope they can get 60-70 points combined.
mja
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Not commenting on the "rumor" - but whichever team bets on Ghost and gives him the opportunity he deserves will be richly rewarded. One of the most frustrating aspects of being a Flyers fan the last 2 seasons has been the organization's horrendous misevaluation of their own player. Injuries haven't helped but we're actively sabotaging the guy. He should be getting fed top pair minutes with Provorov (you know, like when the two of them were actually a pair for a season and Ghost scored 65 points) and with the top line while getting PP1 time. Instead, when he plays it's on the third pair with the 3rd and 4th lines and he gets only scraps of PP time despite easily being one of the top PP guys in the freaking league, while we keep running Provorov out there instead despite the fact that it's clearly not working out. To say nothing of healthy scratching him in favor of Robert freaking Hagg, who is easily one of the worst regular players in the entire league.
Honestly, at this point I'd like to see him traded for peanuts, given a real chance by his new team, and then f***ing up the Flyers each and every time he plays them.
As for the rumor, I'd suggest it's all just a little voodoo:
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Dwayne's super talented, equally adept at both sharing ready-made trade rumors for the masses and staring creepily into your soul like some sort of warlock in a children's fantasy movie from the 80's.
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From my view Provorov absolutely better than Sanheim (and I would guess 5-10% Flyers fan would disagree). Provorov is a top 20 d-man in NHL. Only reason you wouldn't place him their now is off 18-19 and you want to confirm 19-20 is real Provorov. Sanheim more of a 2/3 lhd defenseman. Not that a 2/3 defenseman is bad in any way. But Sanheim will always be a good Robin on defense and not Batman.
Are we just completely ignoring Morgan Frost?
No one's arguing the difference in production between Ghost and Reilly on the PP. I'd hope Reilly would outproduce him there considering the difference in quality of player. But the logic would be having Reilly available to play more impactful minutes instead of saddling him with primary PP responsibility and regularly running him into late-20 minute range.
There's also the consideration that primary PP minutes could push Reilly into Norris consideration if he manages to mirror his 18-19 production. What kind of impact would that have on his contract negotiations heading into next summer?
Assuming that Eklund is somehow right about Nylander being floated, you have to assume that the primary goal is some financial flexibility beyond next season, when Reilly, Anderson and Hyman are all in line for significant pay increases over the next two seasons.
With that in mind, it kind of makes Nylander being 'untouchable' seem a little silly. With a flat cap the Leafs will have to continue to jettison owed money each off-season just to keep the same handful of impactful players on their roster. It just doesn't seem like a forward trajectory.
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If there is any truth to this rumours, which is doubtful, what style of D man would the Leafs desire? Imo they don’t want a guy like Ghost, who is all offence. They tried that with Barrie, and we all saw that disaster. I think they want a physical, hard to play against guy. Who on the Flyers plays like that and is fair value for Nylander?
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Although don’t disagree with your premise (creating future cap room to sign other top guys like Reilly) I think if you’re right than it wouldn’t be Nylander who’s traded. Imo it would be Marner. The Leafs gain a lot more cap flexibility moving out Marner than Nylander. Plus, MM might just get a bit more in return? Maybe instead of Sanheim the Leafs would get Myers?
The problem with Barrie wasn't the type of player he was, it was the role they expected him to play.
Mitch Marner makes $11m. That would be a tough ticket to move in a time where teams aren't earning gate revenue.
Zero interest in giving up what Toronto would likely want for Nylander.
Also, let's let this "Eklund has sources in Philly" thing die. He hasn't had a legit source here in almost a decade.
Also, let's let this "Eklund has sources in Philly" thing die. He hasn't had a legit source here in almost a decade.
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It would have to be Myers. He's their only RD that fits the Leafs' needs. No one else makes sense, Provorov isn't moving, Sanheim plays LD and the rest aren't worth mentioning.
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Imo to get Myers would cost more like Marner. Although others have mentioned MM’s contract as reducing his value, I still think he would return more than Nylander.
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Nylander probably won't be traded at all, but especially not for Ghost. Why do people think that would be a reasonable trade?
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Rangers fan, just dropping in to say that AV had a really bad habit of playing favorites with the Rangers, so you can’t necessarily read as much into his healthy scratches.
But only about 3 of those 9 are actually any good at hockey...
If it was Samheim or Myers that would go a long way to helping their D actually be competent.
Something like Sanheim or Myers for Nylander + Marincin
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Don't believe many would think it's a reasonable trade.It's down right terrible for the Leafs.
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OK...Eklund has NO inside knowledge about the Flyers anymore. That ended when Hextall took over as GM and Eklunds "source" is not with the organization anymore. For proof, just look at all the Big Buff to Flyers he posted.
Nylander is a good RWer, but he isn't a NEED in Philly. They have Konecny, Voracek and Farabee as their RWers. On LW, they have Giroux, Lindblom and JVR so their wingers are set for the top 9.
What the Flyers "need" is another C to go with Couts and Hayes. But the Flyers do have Frost and Patrick as possibilites for that 3rd line C spot. But "if" Nylander is really a target, it's to play #2C bumping Hayes down. And in that case, then Frost is likely moved as part of the deal where he can be the sheltered #3C behind Matthews and JT.
Now for the Flyers D:
Provy Myers
Sanheim Gus
Ghost Braun
Hagg Friedman
Provy is too much. Myers is the Flyers only young RHD who can play top 4 or has that upside. Ghost isn't enough. So that leaves Sanheim. But look at the D with Travis:
Provy Myers
Hagg Gus
Ghost Braun
Friedman
In no way does the addition of Nylander...with the loss of Sanheim, make the Flyers better.
And I have not gotten into Nylanders cap hit vs Sanheim which doesn't work.
There just is not a fair deal to be done on both sides that make sense AND is doable considering both teams are at a place where they are trying to win now, so neither are "sellers".
In saying all this, we also know that GM's make dumb moves all the time. So maybe this could be one of those cases. But given the obvious issues with this deal, Ek is throwing shit at the wall again.
OK...Eklund has NO inside knowledge about the Flyers anymore. That ended when Hextall took over as GM and Eklunds "source" is not with the organization anymore. For proof, just look at all the Big Buff to Flyers he posted.
Nylander is a good RWer, but he isn't a NEED in Philly. They have Konecny, Voracek and Farabee as their RWers. On LW, they have Giroux, Lindblom and JVR so their wingers are set for the top 9.
What the Flyers "need" is another C to go with Couts and Hayes. But the Flyers do have Frost and Patrick as possibilites for that 3rd line C spot. But "if" Nylander is really a target, it's to play #2C bumping Hayes down. And in that case, then Frost is likely moved as part of the deal where he can be the sheltered #3C behind Matthews and JT.
Now for the Flyers D:
Provy Myers
Sanheim Gus
Ghost Braun
Hagg Friedman
Provy is too much. Myers is the Flyers only young RHD who can play top 4 or has that upside. Ghost isn't enough. So that leaves Sanheim. But look at the D with Travis:
Provy Myers
Hagg Gus
Ghost Braun
Friedman
In no way does the addition of Nylander...with the loss of Sanheim, make the Flyers better.
And I have not gotten into Nylanders cap hit vs Sanheim which doesn't work.
There just is not a fair deal to be done on both sides that make sense AND is doable considering both teams are at a place where they are trying to win now, so neither are "sellers".
In saying all this, we also know that GM's make dumb moves all the time. So maybe this could be one of those cases. But given the obvious issues with this deal, Ek is throwing shit at the wall again.
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