Gurglesons
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Monahan certainly will be…
Yeah forgot about him. He’s probably a lot cheaper than Lindholm.
Monahan certainly will be…
Definitely but not as good if you want a top six center replacementYeah forgot about him. He’s probably a lot cheaper than Lindholm.
OK, I'll bite. Say you allocate money to both Smith and Zucker. Who is your other top four defenseman? Who is your 3C and 4C?We could have signed Zucker and gotten Smith. Instead we got Graves, Acciari, and Eller.
OK, I'll bite. Say you allocate money to both Smith and Zucker. Who is your other top four defenseman? Who is your 3C and 4C?
We've had a discussion along these lines before -- I'm a believer that you need to have balance in your lineup, that you bring in players who fit specific roles and styles of play rather than just accumulating the most amount of skill possible.obviously you have to sacrifice somewhere right? Our other top four defenseman has been on the third pairing making 4.5 mil for weeks until recently.
We've had a discussion along these lines before -- I'm a believer that you need to have balance in your lineup, that you bring in players who fit specific roles and styles of play rather than just accumulating the most amount of skill possible.
I truly think that was finally the approach this offseason after several years of it not being remotely close to that. It hasn't gone quite to plan - I thought Graves would be better (most people did, as it was only the size of the contract, not the signing itself, that was criticized over the summer). I also thought Acciari and Nieto would provide more offense than they have so far, though Acciari has been even better defensively than I anticipated. Eller, meanwhile, has actually been better than I anticipated.
I think an idea and process can be correct, even if the results don't come. The key is correcting relatively quickly, and I think Dubas is going to have to course correct here a little bit soon.
Dubas’ problem this off-season was listening to Sullivan’s views on team building and the players he wanted lol…you can’t have two fourth lines and two top six lines that can’t finish worth shit, and the lack of finishing is not new, been happening the last couple seasonsWe've had a discussion along these lines before -- I'm a believer that you need to have balance in your lineup, that you bring in players who fit specific roles and styles of play rather than just accumulating the most amount of skill possible.
I truly think that was finally the approach this offseason after several years of it not being remotely close to that. It hasn't gone quite to plan - I thought Graves would be better (most people did, as it was only the size of the contract, not the signing itself, that was criticized over the summer). I also thought Acciari and Nieto would provide more offense than they have so far, though Acciari has been even better defensively than I anticipated. Eller, meanwhile, has actually been better than I anticipated.
I think an idea and process can be correct, even if the results don't come. The key is correcting relatively quickly, and I think Dubas is going to have to course correct here a little bit soon.
They were able to do that because of LTIR and then no cap in the playoffs.How is having Smith on the third line not balance? That’s the role he played in Vegas.
Again, I think the theory is fine. And they've been substantially better defensively, which has helped their goaltending (and then vice versa). The bottom six is not a sieve like it was last year.Dubas’ problem this off-season was listening to Sullivan’s views on team building and the players he wanted lol…you can’t have two fourth lines and two top six lines that can’t finish worth shit, and the lack of finishing is not new, been happening the last couple seasons
We could have signed Zucker and gotten Smith. Instead we got Graves, Acciari, and Eller.
The PP has been falling off for awhile along with the offensive production…I think the plan was to go after more offensive production on the backend with EK but given the freedom he was allowed to play with in SJ (and the lack of freedom he’d be given here under Sullivan) it was kind of dumb…go after EK if you’re plan is to be more aggressive offensively, not to play more structured defensively….this idea started with Sullivan and his plan to try to acquire Chychrun last seasonThey were able to do that because of LTIR and then no cap in the playoffs.
Again, I think the theory is fine. And they've been substantially better defensively, which has helped their goaltending (and then vice versa). The bottom six is not a sieve like it was last year.
Offensive production is an issue, but I think if the power play is contributing at a normal pace, we're not having this discussion as intently.
Yeah, I mean hindsight is 20/20. I wonder if Dubas had it over again, if he would make the same decision.
The 3rd we used was the 3rd we got from Vegas for Bleuger. So we got Smith for a UFA Bleuger.
Eller is the best player in that group though.
Yeah I don’t think Jake is looking for a contract that begins with an 8…Smith out would be great but our top six RW depth would take a hit if Rakell was traded unless Smith picks up his game
I don’t think Lindholm will be cheap as a trade piece. He’s basically the only center on the market I can think of unless Columbus makes Jenner available.
Eller is mediocre as hell. He’s had some good games but not sure why he gets such a pass. He’s Jeff Carter 2.0.
This was a little bit of an over play by me. Eller has been fine. But he isn’t anything special.
Because you have a Narrative to stick to?This was a little bit of an over play by me. Eller has been fine. But he isn’t anything special.
The irony!
No Actually as I have said A BILLION Times I don't give a f*** if they fire Sullivan Yesterday, Last Season or what the f*** ever, It is you side that thinks that a New HC & CS is going to magically make the Pens a SC Contender. BUT Keep going with that narrative, till it isn't worth a shit tooThe irony!
Good ArgumentWatch out or he might drop a "sizzle-chest" or maybe a "liver lips" on you and boy THEN you're gonna feel foolish.
Which is hilarious that we even need to contemplate getting rid of Rakell and SmithI think upgrading Smith and Rakell would be the biggest things this organization could do. Even over firing Sullivan.
Rakell flubs with Sid and Geno alike at this point. Smith plays like a third liner making top 6 money. Eller is solid but rarely generates anything actually dangerous. Rust has been invisible for two years but shows flashes here and there. It's Sid/Guentz, that's it. Geno is playing to his 6M at this point - and is more like a winger (and has been)....so it's 3 wingers on a line. I just don't get it. Make a damn roster move.
Dudes are offensive black holes on most nights. So you have goalies playing well enough. Team giving up low goal totals. But we can't score because we literally have less than 1 full line of offensive NHL hockey in our entire group at this point.
Which is hilarious that we even need to contemplate it
These guys give us fits as opponents for years
They get here.. f***ing Simon level play