Post-Game Talk: Pens vs Isles: Its over

[Jacob]

I just don’t think either goalie was particularly better or worse.

That’s not saying much since Jarry makes like 3x what Nedeljkovic does, but I still don’t see Jarry as an issue.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Was it the part where he was benched and they won back to back Cups? Was that what you were right about? I don't know what your obsession with Jarry is. Fleury I get. He has a beautiful smile. I guess you're like one of those Florence Nightingale effect things. I get moist over oft injured goalies who meltdown constantly and need to be coddled too.

lol, way to prove my point. Sully played his boy then MAF went on to bring an expansion team to the SCF and win a Vezina while MM blew shit and literally didn't even play in the NHL this year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Mike Sullivan gets philosophical on Penguins power play — now he needs to get it working

When it comes to his team’s confounding power play, you can hear Pittsburgh Penguins coach Mike Sullivan struggling with the contradictions. He wants it to be more “predictable,” but he doesn’t want it “robotic.” He wants his skilled players to be creative, but he also wants the execution to be

triblive.com

That article does not have Sullivan telling Rierden "do not make any changes to the powerplay because the guys will figure it out".

It does say that there needs to be a balance between coaching and letting the players instincts control the game. But that's not "do not make any changes to the powerplay because the guys will figure it out".

 

[Rudy Russo]

Sorry I’ll one day hope to have the knowledge the guy who cries like a five year old every post game has.

Especially every time the penguins lose.

 

[Lustaf]

Was cool to see Sid do his thing and play some meaningful hockey these past couple weeks, that was an unexpected gift.

He tied the record for most points by a player at age 36 too. 94

 

[farscape1]

Gees the Pens go on a little hot streak at the end when most teams are already in the playoffs and now people on here think a little changes and the Pens will be in the playoffs next year. Good god this team is done done done. Rebuild Rebuild Rebuild already.

 

[Darren McCord]

This delusion about Dubas not being able to fire Hextall is like the delusion people had that Mike Sullivan wasn’t really that big of a fan of Jeff Carter.

Dubas could but I do think he would for sure get a lot of pushback from ownership.

Hextall had multiple opportunities and failed before the team was sold and FSG decided a coach was more important than a functional front office.

 

[Victor Z]

While it would have been nauseating to even contemplate Jeff Carter on this team next year, I wish him the best from here on out and props to the Islanders for a classy move at the end of the game.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

 

[Will Hunting]

I just don’t think either goalie was particularly better or worse.

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That’s not saying much since Jarry makes like 3x what Nedeljkovic does, but I still don’t see Jarry as an issue.

Jarry at 5.3M is a negative value tho and team realized that. He´s also unplayable in key games and in key moments. He needs to go. Ned can stay as a backup. But we need another goalie, other than Jarry.

 

[Pancakes]

Where are these quotes that support this claim?

I'm not defending Sullivan here, he clearly sucks and should be fired. But there is no proof that he's telling Rierden "don't make any changes to the powerplay, the guys will figure it out".

“You can over-coach it, and the players become robotic. You take them out of their instinctive mindset when players are at their best,” Sullivan said. “We have some first-ballot Hall of Famers on that unit that think the game at a really high level. So, we don’t want to get in the way of that. But we have to have some predictability among the group of five. That’s what we are trying to do. Get them on the same page. Simplify the game. Get in more of a shooting mindset. Usually, their instincts take over from there.”

From last season, granted. But I've heard him say other quotes similar to this before. I'm not gonna dig up each example. But that is one such.

By all means replace Reirden. Clearly he isn't helping. The two things he's in theory responsible for - the PP and the defense - both suck ass.

Doubt anything improves too much as long as Sully remains here though.

 

[Jacob]

We need to fix the PP especially because we can count on a lot of guys to regress at least a little due to age, even Sid, and we can probably not expect those same guys to be nearly as healthy as they were this year.

PP needs to be 20%. We need to be scoring on 1 out of every 5 chances. Let’s keep the shorties to single digits, too.

How many ES goals did the 4th line score all year, like 12? Should’ve been double that. At least without Carter it’ll be cheaper.

 

[BillyOcean]

lol, way to prove my point. Sully played his boy then MAF went on to bring an expansion team to the SCF and win a Vezina while MM blew shit and literally didn't even play in the NHL this year.

Oh, I remember that SCF where he had another mental breakdown and didn't have a save percentage above .885 and was booed out of the arena. Yeah, that seems about right.

I get it. You wuvee flowa and jar jars

 

[Factorial]

Every time Rupp said "The Carter Family" I thought of:



Hated him as a Flyer but he gave his all for the Pens too.

 

[Empoleon8771]

“You can over-coach it, and the players become robotic. You take them out of their instinctive mindset when players are at their best,” Sullivan said. “We have some first-ballot Hall of Famers on that unit that think the game at a really high level. So, we don’t want to get in the way of that. But we have to have some predictability among the group of five. That’s what we are trying to do. Get them on the same page. Simplify the game. Get in more of a shooting mindset. Usually, their instincts take over from there.”

From last season, granted. But I've heard him say other quotes similar to this before. I'm not gonna dig up each example. But that is one such.

By all means replace Reirden. Clearly he isn't helping. The two things he's in theory responsible for - the PP and the defense - both suck ass.

Doubt anything improves too much as long as Sully remains here though.

But again, just like I said above, that's not saying "do not make changes to the powerplay because the guys will figure it out".

Sullivan gave a nuanced opinion on the powerplay that was basically "you need structure but you don't want to limit the instincts of the star players". That is not telling Todd Rierden to change nothing because "the guys will figure it out".

I think Sullivan is making a mistake with giving the players that much freedom, because they have clearly shown that they don't make good plays with more freedom. With that being said, there's a big difference between "Sullivan is giving the players too much freedom on the powerplay" and "Sullivan is not letting Rierden make changes to the powerplay".

 

[Victor Z]

Harkins had more ice time than Puusy (who was flying tonight); POS#73 had nearly as much ice time as Shea & St. Ivany combined.

This coach is such a f***ing moron.

 

[Will Hunting]

Not even playing Jarry in this last meaningless game was a huge slap into his face and a clear signal going forward. He´s 99% gone.

 

[Hank Plank]

Flawless closeout to a flawless season.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Did he ever TRY to over coach them into robots yet? Cause it feels like he never tried

 

[Lomez]

Over so soon?

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Oh, I remember that SCF where he had another mental breakdown and didn't have a save percentage above .885 and was booed out of the arena. Yeah, that seems about right.

I get it. You wuvee flowa and jar jars

lol I love how some on this board are still stuck in 2012 and can't admit that they were wrong. Pathetic.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Did he ever TRY to over coach them into robots yet? Cause it feels like he never tried

Yeah that's the bigger way I'd criticize Sullivan here, the fact that he doesn't take away their freedoms while they're clearly not playing well on the powerplay.

 

[Pancakes]

But again, just like I said above, that's not saying "do not make changes to the powerplay because the guys will figure it out".

Sullivan gave a nuanced opinion on the powerplay that was basically "you need structure but you don't want to limit the instincts of the star players". That is not telling Todd Rierden to change nothing because "the guys will figure it out".

They've been running the same shitty umbrella with predictable drop pass for years now so I mean what coaching is happening for that PP?

Or if Reirden/Sullivan are trying to change things, clearly the message isn't getting through.

The PP alone is cassus belli to fire this entire coaching staff.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Yeah that's the bigger way I'd criticize Sullivan here, the fact that he doesn't take away their freedoms while they're clearly not playing well on the powerplay.

He might as well have said, i don't analyze it or understand it, so i just never tried to improve it, you know, in case my ideas are stupid or whatever, this way I can't be blamed for not playing the right way, it's the players fault for not having a coach

 

[BillyOcean]

lol I love how some on this board are still stuck in 2012 and can't admit that they were wrong. Pathetic.

Do you have one of those Fleury jerseys that is half Vegas on the left and half penguins on the right?