Confirmed with Link: Pens sign Sergei Gonchar to PTO

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I'm not entirely convinced Gonchar can even still be counted on to run a powerplay. He has 26 PP points in the last 3 seasons combined. So that's 3 different clubs that apparently had better options for a point man. And if we're signing him to be a #7, he's not even going to be in the line-up half the time. And even if he can, is that better for us than allowing Pouliot to run the breakouts and man the point, and letting him work through his mistakes now rather than a year from now?

Yeah, there's not a lot of negatives to having a guy like Gonchar around if the contract is cheap, I just don't see a lot of benefits either. Powerplay specialists are few and far between for a reason.

I could him being a disaster defensively if the other team gets the puck on the PP and a problem if they need to actually get the puck into the offensive zone with him.

Let Pouliot do it and if he can't then Letang doing it while Pouliot works up to it on PP2 wouldn't be the worst thing ever.
 

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This is weird. Weird but cool. Man, I love Gonchar and have been saying for a long time that we need someone like him (circa 2009) on the point on the PP. We just have been lacking that big booming shot. Last year we saw too many attempted fancy passes and nobody to effectively just hammer the puck on net from the point. Even if he doesn't make the team or play a single game I'm hoping he can do some mentoring and get the guys taking better slappers.
 

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At this point, I agree I'd rather let Pouliot do it. My contention was you saying he wasn't very good when he was here. Gonchar was the 2nd or 3rd best PP QB in the world during the entirety of his time with us. Lidstrom was better. Mike Green may have been. That's it. That's the list of players you could argue were better PP QBs during that time.

Depends what years. His last 2 years here he was not good, and the powerplay was not good. Shea Weber, Andrea Markov, Mike Green, Brian Boyle, Scott Neidermayer, and Chris Pronger were still around and awesome. They were all in the same class of PPQB. Lidstrom very obviously on a level all himself.

Sarge had 2 real good years as a PPQB here. Not saying he isn't an all time great one, but I disagree with you say he was while he was here.

Right now, he's 41 and he has to be heavily insulated. If we were to sign him, you have to get rid of Scuds. Sarge would also need to have a role that allows Derrick Pouliot to develop - not to take time away from him. It's a fine line, and just Gonchar's presence on the team makes me nervous as to what ways he'd be used to prohibit our young defensemen from playing.

The ideal situation for us would be for Gonchar to be fine as a #7. It'd keep him fresh, it'd keep him around hockey, he'd earn a bit more money, and he could be beyond beneficial to every young defenseman on the roster.
 

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Gonchar in, Scuderi out, Gonch runs 2nd PP...I could be swayed to give it a chance.
 

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Or we finally break into two powerplay units, which should have happened years ago. Sid and Geno both need to have the entire right wall.
 

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Depends what years. His last 2 years here he was not good, and the powerplay was not good. Shea Weber, Andrea Markov, Mike Green, Brian Boyle, Scott Neidermayer, and Chris Pronger were still around and awesome. They were all in the same class of PPQB. Lidstrom very obviously on a level all himself.

Sarge had 2 real good years as a PPQB here. Not saying he isn't an all time great one, but I disagree with you say he was while he was here.

In 2009, he had 13 PPP in 25 games played. That puts Green as the only guy in the top 5 D for total PPP to have more per game. In 2010 he was 3rd in total PPP with 30 in 62 games. He had the highest PPP per game in the league for D. In 2009 he tied Lidstrom for first for playoff PPP. In 2010 he was 3rd for PPP from D while only playing 9 games.

So in his last two years here he was the best and 2nd best power play D-man while playing. He just happened to miss a good bit of time both years. But when he was playing, he was still an elite PP d-man his entire time he was with us. Both of those years he scored more powerplay points per game than Lidstrom, despite being on a worse Powerplay unit each year. As I said, at his worst with us Gonchar was the 3rd best PP QB in the league behind Lidstrom and Green.

I don't want Gonchar on this team at all right now. But saying that Gonchar wasn't good on the powerplay in 2009 and 2010 is just incorrect.
 
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JTG

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In 2009, he had 13 PPP in 25 games played. That puts Green as the only guy in the top 5 D for total PPP to have more per game. In 2010 he was 3rd in total PPP with 30 in 62 games. He had the highest PPP per game in the league for D. In 2009 he tied Lidstrom for first for playoff PPP. In 2010 he was 3rd for PPP from D while only playing 9 games.

So in his last two years here he was the best and 2nd best power play D-man while playing. He just happened to miss a good bit of time both years. But when he was playing, he was still an elite PP d-man his entire time he was with us. Both of those years he scored more powerplay points per game than Lidstrom, despite being on a worse Powerplay unit each year. As I said, at his worst with us Gonchar was the 3rd best PP QB in the league behind Lidstrom and Green.

He was a contributing member of the powerplay, and every puck went through him. The fact he racked up points is great, but the fails of the powerplay his last 2 seasons here fall at his feet, much more than they fall at Sid or Geno's. Gonchar was going to get his points regardless because of how much time he logged - which from any season you look at during his tenure, it was 5:30-7:00 a game. Every single season here he was top 5 in PP TOI/GP.

I take nothing away from his skill, or the fact that he is a great PPQB, or that he was an upper echelon PPQB in this league for the better part of a decade. He was a contributing factor of why this powerplay was brutal his last 2 years here, his statistics hide that fact through, as you have shown.

I'd like to have him back as a #7, but I'd rather have Pouliot earn his stripes as the full time PPQB.
 

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I think both Shero and Rutherford have been guilty of being kind of drunk with the ability to spend to the cap. Just because the space is there and there are players available doesn't mean you need to sign every Tom, Dick and Harry to the team.

Another concern with Gonchar as the #7 is will the coaches be willing to scratch a guy with his resume? Will they be afraid of losing the room if they're hard on a popular 40 year old vet? That's more a coaching staff problem, not Gonchar's problem, but still.
 

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Gonchar/Letang/Malkin
Pouliot/Doumo (Maatta or Cullen?)/Crosby

Perron/Hornqvist or Kunitz/Kessel depending on what the ES lines are.

If you're going to stack one line Crosby/Malkin/Kessel/Hornqvist and Pouliot...but it's going to be tough for the org to have their $7m defensemen not on the top PP unit.

I like two units. We never see it though.

And Scuderi is getting ready to join Crosby early....don't know why I'm assuming there's a chance he's not in the top 6.
 

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Gonchar/Letang/Malkin
Pouliot/Doumo (Maatta or Cullen?)/Crosby

Perron/Hornqvist or Kunitz/Kessel depending on what the ES lines are.

If you're going to stack one line Crosby/Malkin/Kessel/Hornqvist and Pouliot...but it's going to be tough for the org to have their $7m defensemen not on the top PP unit.

Doesn't seem like a big deal to me. It's not like Letang doesn't contribute at ES or on the PK. He can still run the 2nd unit, and with 30-45 seconds vs. 90 seconds, and being the best player on the ice, he can simplify and just put pucks on net instead of deferring to Malkin & Sid.

Neither Chara nor Weber are always on the top units, either.
 

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Gonchar/Letang/Malkin
Pouliot/Doumo (Maatta or Cullen?)/Crosby

Perron/Hornqvist or Kunitz/Kessel depending on what the ES lines are.

If you're going to stack one line Crosby/Malkin/Kessel/Hornqvist and Pouliot...but it's going to be tough for the org to have their $7m defensemen not on the top PP unit.

I like two units. We never see it though.

And Scuderi is getting ready to join Crosby early....don't know why I'm assuming there's a chance he's not in the top 6.

Why does that matter...?
 

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Why does that matter...?

Honestly, I agree with him. For that echelon of salary, meaning elite of the elite, I expect my defenseman to be damn good at every aspect of the game, or at least have no real glaring weaknesses. Letang, for all the PP points he gets, is not a good PP player whatsoever. He's consistently a detriment to the flow and effectiveness of the PP.

That's why I'll always take issue with him making north of $7M/yr. It may be unfair or unreasonable, but it is what it is. He's still a phenomenal player and likely the most naturally gifted athlete in the league, but he needs to keep things simple to be the most effective and sometimes he gets caught trying to do too much or second-guessing himself too often. Hopefully that becomes less frequent or ceases entirely as time goes on.
 

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i really don't care what letang's salary is i don't think it really bothers me. what does bother me is seeing him on the first pp
 

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Yeah his.contract looks better with the cap going up but the injury concerns and crap hockey IQ on the pp bothers me for a former norris candidate.

Although as was obvious lasr year, this team overall is a lottery team without him, they can't even get it of their own zone without him.
 

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Yeah his.contract looks better with the cap going up but the injury concerns and crap hockey IQ on the pp bothers me for a former norris candidate.

Although as was obvious lasr year, this team is a lottery team without him.

Well, this team is a lottery team without it's top 5 defensemen, a corpse on skates ruining whatever line he's on (Kunitz) and Malkin at ~30%, that's for sure.
 

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Or we finally break into two powerplay units, which should have happened years ago. Sid and Geno both need to have the entire right wall.

Yep, we should only stack up on the PP when we are desperate. Down a goal or 2 and need to tie it up. Then again Johnston is our coach, guy's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Many times when we were desperate for goal last season should have been obvious Crosby and Malkin come together and we get goal.
 

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Yep, we should only stack up on the PP when we are desperate. Down a goal or 2 and need to tie it up. Then again Johnston is our coach, guy's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Many times when we were desperate for goal last season should have been obvious Crosby and Malkin come together and we get goal.

Tocchet is 'supposed' to take care of the PP...
 

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