Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"

[Ulf5]

That's what cap friendly said, 12.5 mil or thereabouts, but is the cap going up this offseason. I thought it was. Although haven't been paying much attention lately?

That 12.5 is counting the cap increase to $87.7 million.
Capfriendly also has next year's cap at $92 million.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The one who has bailed on his team the last two playoffs? The one who will miss almost 2 months of the season from suspension and be essentially a cap penalty of 6 mill during that time. The pens will be out of the playoffs by the time he gets off suspension.

Ya great plan

Nonsense. Look how the Pens performed down the stretch this year.

Nichushkin provided exceptional 2-way hockey and playoff goal scoring. When we get to the 2nd round we can worry about coke binges.

In case anyone missed it, we haven't made it to the 2nd round in a long time. We need players who can get us to that point.

 

[Andy99]

That's what cap friendly said, 12.5 mil or thereabouts, but is the cap going up this offseason. I thought it was. Although haven't been paying much attention lately?

It’s about 12M or less with only 10 forwards and 6 D assuming Benstrom, Harkins are not resigned and the team brings back POJ and St Ivany…also only one goalie (unless Blomqvist is definitely playing in the NHL)…and that’s with the reported cap increase…let’s just say we better have a number of good players on cheap contracts playing on the big club and then we can afford to bring in an expensive top six forward or top four D..

 

[HandshakeLine]

Oh Harkins is totally getting another 2 year deal, lol.

 

[Gurglesons]

That's what cap friendly said, 12.5 mil or thereabouts, but is the cap going up this offseason. I thought it was. Although haven't been paying much attention lately?

That’s it at 87.7 I think?

 

[Ryder71]

It’s about 12M or less with only 10 forwards and 6 D assuming Benstrom, Harkins are not resigned and the team brings back POJ and St Ivany…also only one goalie (unless Blomqvist is definitely playing in the NHL)…and that’s with the reported cap increase…let’s just say we better have a number of good players on cheap contracts playing on the big club and then we can afford to bring in an expensive top six forward or top four D..

Pono should make the team, he's cheap. Don't think we need to go for a defensemen. Should be able to bring in TWO good forwards or ONE Big name. There's some really good UFA's this year.

That’s it at 87.7 I think?

So, the Cap isnt going up for 24-25? Cap friendly suggests it isn't going up for another year.

 

[Gurglesons]

Pono should make the team, he's cheap. Don't think we need to go for a defensemen. Should be able to bring in TWO good forwards or ONE Big name. There's some really good UFA's this year.


So, the Cap isnt going up for 24-25? Cap friendly suggests it isn't going up for another year.

Cap last season was 83.5

 

[Ryder71]

Pono, St.Ivany and Blomqvist would combine for 2.7 MIL or less I believe.

Cap last season was 83.5

Oh ok.

Graves and Accaiari are listed as IR, are their salaries already factored in with that cap space, or do we have to deduct?

 

[Ryder71]

Did the math, with ALL the deductions including buyouts and retention. we have about 13 mil.

 

[Jacob]

I’m fine with O’Connor - Crosby - Rust and Bunting - Malkin - Rakell.

That’s like 140 goals there, conservatively. No issue with that. That’s more than half your offense for less than 40% of your cap.

If you don’t like Rakell with Malkin then flip him and Rust.

 

[Ryder71]

Add St.Ivany, Blomqvist and PONO and you still have over 10 million. Gotta sign POJ.

 

[Ryder71]

I’m fine with O’Connor - Crosby - Rust and Bunting - Malkin - Rakell.

That’s like 140 goals there, conservatively. No issue with that. That’s more than half your offense for less than 40% of your cap.

If you don’t like Rakell with Malkin then flip him and Rust.

We need more than that. This might be crazy but I'd try for Reinhart. IF not go for two really good middle six guys.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Did the math, with ALL the deductions including buyouts and retention. we have about 13 mil.

Near the bottom of Cap Friendly team pages they list the available space for future years.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

We need more than that. This might be crazy but I'd try for Reinhart. IF not go for two really good middle six guys.

We need guys who are gonna outperform their cap hits, relative to the role Sullivan is going to give them. We don't have enough of that on the roster. That's why we miss the playoffs.
For example Puustinen was the right idea, 2 years at minimum. Bunting has decent odds of outplaying 4.5M, being on PP1 net-front all year most likely.

So you gotta ask the question if Reinhart is gonna play up to or better than his next AAV. That's a big ask in his case, especially under this coach.

 

[Ugene Magic]

The Pens have enough rink-a-dink top six options. They need a true LW for Sid's wing.

LW:
Guentzel
Teravainen

 

[Jacob]

Teravainen had the same number of ES goals as O’Connor.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Teravainen had the same number of ES goals as O’Connor.

Yeah people are focused on names rather than actual results. Teravainen wasn't a better 5v5 player last year than either Robertson or O'Connor, yet apparently neither of the latter two are acceptable L1 options.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Teravainen had the same number of ES goals as O’Connor.

Yeah people are focused on names rather than actual results. Teravainen wasn't a better 5v5 player last year than either Robertson or O'Connor, yet apparently neither of the latter two are acceptable L1 options.

Teuvo has a track record that neither player has.

And you are not getting either O'Connor or Robertson on the top PP. Teuvo had 9 PP goals whereas the only player with more on the Pens was Crosby. That's even including Guentzel. Teuvo was 3rd on his team behind Jarvis/Aho.

I'm in the realm Teuvo has the experience over either of those guys. And Robertson is a total ????, his size totally makes the teams top six softer. O'Connor is still finding out who/what he is.

I'm looking for the experience over rookie like players.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Teuvo has a track record that neither player has.

And you are not getting either O'Connor or Robertson on the top PP. Teuvo had 9 PP goals whereas the only player with more on the Pens was Crosby. That's even including Guentzel. Teuvo was 3rd on his team behind Jarvis/Aho.

I'm in the realm Teuvo has the experience over either of those guys. And Robertson is a total ????, his size totally makes the teams top six softer. O'Connor is still finding out who/what he is.

I'm looking for the experience over rookie like players.

Teravainen wouldn't even be on the Penguins top PP unit, so I don't see what kind of relevance this has.

Teravainen has consistently not been a good 5v5 producer with Carolina in the past 3 years:

2023-2024: 25 5v5 points in 76 games
2022-2023: 20 5v5 points in 68 games
2021-2022: 23 5v5 points in 77 games

He's not putting up 31 PP points on the Penguins like he has been doing with the Canes, because he wouldn't get that kind of usage. He's a powerplay specialist that wouldn't be used on the powerplay, going with Robertson or O'Connor on Crosby's line would make far more sense.

He's in the same mold as Granlund and Kessel, in that he's an awful 5v5 player that just relies on huge minutes on the powerplay to get points. Frankly, the Granlund comparison seems especially accurate.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Teravainen wouldn't even be on the Penguins top PP unit, so I don't see what kind of relevance this has.

Teravainen has consistently not been a good 5v5 producer with Carolina in the past 3 years:

2023-2024: 25 5v5 points in 76 games
2022-2023: 20 5v5 points in 68 games
2021-2022: 23 5v5 points in 77 games

He's not putting up 31 PP points on the Penguins like he has been doing with the Canes, because he wouldn't get that kind of usage. He's a powerplay specialist that wouldn't be used on the powerplay, going with Robertson or O'Connor on Crosby's line would make far more sense.

He's in the same mold as Granlund and Kessel, in that he's an awful 5v5 player that just relies on huge minutes on the powerplay to get points. Frankly, the Granlund comparison seems especially accurate.

You, with these reaching aspects that have not even been a staple. As Far as Teuvo being a PP specialist, what part of the Pens game has been keeping them from making the playoffs?

It's not 5 on 5 goals. Their PP is lacking severely. So putting O'connor or Robertson on Sid wings is actually going to drop their overall production.

Sacrificing the PP for strictly 5 on 5 goal production is already where they are at currently.

Robertson shouldn't be anywhere near the top six, he not his brother who's 6'2". Who's the one relying on names here?

 

[Empoleon8771]

You, with these reaching aspects that have not even been a staple. As Far as Teuvo being a PP specialist, what part of the Pens game has been keeping them from making the playoffs?

It's not 5 on 5 goals. Their PP is lacking severely. So putting O'connor or Robertson on Sid wings is actually going to drop their overall production.

Sacrificing the PP for strictly 5 on 5 goal production is already where they are at currently.

Robertson shouldn't be anywhere near the top six, he not his brother who's 6'2". Who's the one relying on names here?

How is any of this "reaching"? Terevainen is a terrible 5v5 player. I don't care how good he is on the powerplay, I do not want a terrible 5v5 player playing with Crosby at 5v5.

Teravainen wouldn't even be on the Penguins top PP unit if he came here because he fills a role that is already occupied by Crosby. They need either a Kessel type of righty distributor to play the left half-wall or a Hornqvist type of net front guy. Terevainen doesn't fill either of those roles. They're not bumping Crosby or Malkin to a different spot on the powerplay for Teravainen, nor does Teravainen actually fill any of the roles the powerplay actually needs.

This is just like your nonsensical defense of Granlund last summer as not being a terrible player because "he put up points with Nashville". We get it, you don't look at players beyond their Hockey Reference statline.

 

[Darren McCord]

Nonsense. Look how the Pens performed down the stretch this year.

Nichushkin provided exceptional 2-way hockey and playoff goal scoring. When we get to the 2nd round we can worry about coke binges.

In case anyone missed it, we haven't made it to the 2nd round in a long time. We need players who can get us to that point.

And yet they still missed the playoffs….

Also the east was awful. They would have been 10 pts out in the west. The standings were deceptive.

Nichushkin Is headache waiting to happen. No thanks

 

[Ugene Magic]

How is any of this "reaching"? Terevainen is a terrible 5v5 player. I don't care how good he is on the powerplay, I do not want a terrible 5v5 player playing with Crosby at 5v5.

Teravainen wouldn't even be on the Penguins top PP unit if he came here because he fills a role that is already occupied by Crosby. They need either a Kessel type of righty distributor to play the left half-wall or a Hornqvist type of net front guy. Terevainen doesn't fill either of those roles. They're not bumping Crosby or Malkin to a different spot on the powerplay for Teravainen, nor does Teravainen actually fill any of the roles the powerplay actually needs.

This is just like your nonsensical defense of Granlund last summer as not being a terrible player because "he put up points with Nashville". We get it, you don't look at players beyond their Hockey Reference statline.

They have already bumped Geno to the 2nd PP unit, and both Sid and Geno are passive as far as taking shots go. Actively passing up shots to give lesser players chances.

As far as a 5 on 5 guy concerns, Teuvo is a + positive player each and every season 7 seasons deep.

I look at the whole picture.

Edit: Granlund was a decent player at Minnesota, Nashville and San Jose. A minor stop for the Pens is hardly proof he wasn't anything more than poorly used.

 

[The Old Master]

Puljujärvi was really good yesterday. Showed some bad ass mentality. He is getting back some of the self-confidence that got destroyed in Edmonton.

and sully will fix that as soon as he gets back.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Nuke's just kind of f***ing stupid. How dumb do you have to be to be caught up in this magnitude of shit two years in a row? Great player, but a complete dipshit. I don't care what drugs people do recreationally, but being involved in the whole (alleged) trafficking thing put him under a microscope and for him to not cut out the extra shit like his coke habit--that's some astronomical levels of stupidity, man.