Proposal: Penguins freeing up cap space

[Toby Flenderson]

Conor Sheary to Colorado for 2018 3rd round pick

Matt Hunwick and Tristan Jarry to Carolina for Roland Mckeown



Saves Pitt 5 million. Can sign a cheap backup.

Colorado has tons of space and gets a decent winger for a mid 3rd.

Carolina takes on Hunwick for a potential starting goalie.

Fair?

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[Durden Tyler]

can see colodado taking this, not selling our young backup for cap space, more so after trading our other quality goalie prospect in the Brassard deal

 

[Toby Flenderson]

can see colodado taking this, not selling our young backup for cap space, more so after trading our other quality goalie prospect in the Brassard deal

Do we really need a young backup? Murray is our guy for the next decade, Jarry won’t be a backup forever. I would rather sign a more veteran backup

 

[Durden Tyler]

Do we really need a young backup? Murray is our guy for the next decade, Jarry won’t be a backup forever. I would rather sign a more veteran backup

Not saying Murray is injury prone yet but I woudn't take that risk.

 

[Patagonia]

AVs have plenty of smallish wingers. The value seems fine, but AVs would want Jarry.

 

[Empoleon8771]

That's a huge undersell for Sheary, Sheary could probably get a mid to high 2nd rounder pretty easily. The Canes deal is fine, I don't know if they'd take that though.

 

[GoldiFox]

Nedeljkovic was already better than Jarry in the AHL. If they want to roll with an unknown they would just use him. Canes actually need Roland with their weak RHD depth. No interest in Hunwick.

 

[OCPenguin]

Do we really need a young backup? Murray is our guy for the next decade, Jarry won’t be a backup forever. I would rather sign a more veteran backup

UMMM ... considering Murray is fragile; we are close to the cap ceiling every year, I would say yes. Add in the fact Desmith's domestic thing, I don't see Jarry being moved. Not rocket science here champ.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Nedeljkovic was already better than Jarry in the AHL. If they want to roll with an unknown they would just use him. Canes actually need Roland with their weak RHD depth. No interest in Hunwick.

And Jarry had better stats in the NHL through 26 games than Nedeljkovic has ever had in the AHL, so I'm really not sure how you think they're comparable.

In the 23 games Jarry started last season, he had a .913 save% and a quality start% of .609 (14 out of 23 starts were starts with save% above league average). That is good, especially considering the defense the Penguins had last year.

 

[BlueBaron]

Leafs could offer Packard for Sheary. Might make sense for both teams.

 

[Peat]

Leafs could offer Packard for Sheary. Might make sense for both teams.

If we don't move Sheary solely to shed cap, and don't want to rely on our current young goaltenders, that would work. Suspect it would founder on one of those conditions though.

 

[Lunatik]

UMMM ... considering Murray is fragile; we are close to the cap ceiling every year, I would say yes. Add in the fact Desmith's domestic thing, I don't see Jarry being moved. Not rocket science here champ.

He suggested a veteran backup, which is generally better insurance for a fragile starting goaltender than a young backup goaltender, as they often struggle with the pressures of starting.

 

[Hockeyholic]

That's a huge undersell for Sheary, Sheary could probably get a mid to high 2nd rounder pretty easily. The Canes deal is fine, I don't know if they'd take that though.

 

[Lunatik]

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I've read your trade proposals, you have no standing to laugh at others

 

[domaug]

That's a huge undersell for Sheary, Sheary could probably get a mid to high 2nd rounder pretty easily. The Canes deal is fine, I don't know if they'd take that though.

i personally think Sheary can fetch a mid- to late-2nd at the most, if the acquiring GM is feeling generous.

 

[Empoleon8771]

i personally think Sheary can fetch a mid- to late-2nd at the most, if the acquiring GM is feeling generous.

Why is it only if GMs are feeling generous? Sheary's paid like a 3rd liner and produces at a 3rd line rate. He's an offensive 3rd line LW who can provide near 20 goals a season, that has value. Just because he's a whipping boy of Penguins fans doesn't mean he doesn't have value. He would be an upgrade on a lot of team's 3rd lines, and even some team's 2nd lines.

18 goals and 30 points in 79 games, with 16 ES goals and 27 ES points, is solid 3rd liner production. That's just the player he is.

 

[domaug]

Why is it only if GMs are feeling generous? Sheary's paid like a 3rd liner and produces at a 3rd line rate. He's an offensive 3rd line LW who can provide near 20 goals a season, that has value. Just because he's a whipping boy of Penguins fans doesn't mean he doesn't have value. He would be an upgrade on a lot of team's 3rd lines, and even some team's 2nd lines.

meh, i just don't know if Sheary has that kind of value to get a high 2nd round pick. i think on his own, the best they could do is in the range of picks 42-64. I'm not sure if teams will see his slightly regressed season as a one-off or his "norm".

 

[Empoleon8771]

meh, i just don't know if Sheary has that kind of value to get a high 2nd round pick. i think on his own, the best they could do is in the range of picks 42-64. I'm not sure if teams will see his slightly regressed season as a one-off or his "norm".

Even if it's his norm, that's still worth a 2nd round pick, though. Again, Sheary produces well. He's just a whipping boy among Penguins fans. He's a scoring 3rd line winger who's paid like a 3rd line winger. For a team like Buffalo, he'd be an upgrade to their 2nd line. For a lot of other teams, he'd be an upgrade for their 3rd line. Depending on what role you play him in, Sheary is probably a 35-45 point winger over a full season that can pitch in 20-25 goals. That has value.

Beau Bennett in 2016 was traded for a mid 3rd rounder after coming off a season of 6 goals and 12 points in 33 games (5 goals and 9 points at ES). Bennett also never had as good of a season as Sheary had in 2016-2017. Sheary definitely has the value of a mid to high 2nd rounder, because mid to high 2nd rounders aren't all that valuable in the first place.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I've read your trade proposals, you have no standing to laugh at others

Oh your definitely right about my trade proposals. But I'll still express my opinions.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

Why are the Pens needing to clear cap space? Why are the Pens trading a useful (not necessarily good, mind you) player for draft picks?

The Pens need to win NOW

The only trades involving the Pens should be for a middle pairing defenseman

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Why are the Pens needing to clear cap space? Why are the Pens trading a useful (not necessarily good, mind you) player for draft picks?

The Pens need to win NOW

The only trades involving the Pens should be for a middle pairing defenseman

Neither Sheary nor Hunwick help the Pens win now. That’s obvious for Pens fans. That cap space can be used elsewhere