Kunta Kinte
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Our goalies are bad and I had a flashback.
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We got Ramo when we traded Cammalleri for Bourque.
He never played for us.
Edit: I was mistaken.
He never played for us.
Edit: I was mistaken.
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donghabs98
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We got the rights to Ramo in the summer of 2010 when we traded Cédrick Desjardins to Tampa for his rights. Then in January of 2012 he was traded alongside Cammy in the Bourque deal.
Kunta Kinte
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Stats or not. They look bad. I agree offense if non existent but we gave tons of softies and bad goals.
Ohh Desjardins. Thats right
NobleSix
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We actually traded Ramo to the Flames along with Cammalleri and a 5th in that deal.
We originally acquired Ramo in a trade with the Tampa Bay Lightning in exchange for Cedrick Desjardins in 2010.
Edit: donghabs98 got it
this injury will plague price for the rest of his career,
price will never be the same again,
he will never be as good as he was last season, and to expect anything close to that is not reasonable,
price has peaked, and from this point on his career is on a slow and steady decline,
should have traded him last summer when his value was at its peak
price will never be the same again,
he will never be as good as he was last season, and to expect anything close to that is not reasonable,
price has peaked, and from this point on his career is on a slow and steady decline,
should have traded him last summer when his value was at its peak
RealityBytes
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I think you are right. He won't scrum in the corners and plays on the outside. The big injury almost crippled him for life, same with concussions. Look at his injuries in the last few years. It seems he is playing as if he is afraid of
getting hurt again.
Oooops!!!... I was talking about Pacioretty.
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LaP
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Sorry but they are as much a problem as the offense. You do realize Condon save % is under 900 for the month of december? I calculated it yesterday and posted it in a post. I can't recall the number but i think it's 0.887 for the month of December. That awful even for number 2s.
The only reason the goalies are not really a problem is because we hope Price will be back soon enough to save the season.
If Price misses half the season our goalies are as much of a problem as the offense. Saying otherwise is simply not knowing hockey in my very humble opinion.
Can't win in this league with goalies giving 3 goals every games and having a save % under 900 even with a good offense you wont win and wont go anywhere with that kind of goaltending.
WeThreeKings
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I wouldn't say they are not a problem. Our offense sucks doesn't mean our goalie are good. The goalies are just as bad as the offense. No need to protect them. They can suck at the same time as the rest of the team and it's the case here.
Well, I'm not sure that is a fact. Not sure how to check but how many teams won a game giving up 3 goals and how many shutouts were there this year? Wouldn't there be more of the latter? Not saying I expect SOs, just saying technically speaking isn't that more frequent?
Although frequency doesn't really mean odds. It's hard to know without going through all the data but I doubt either are pretty.
FerrisRox
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You always found him awful especially when he was on a hot streak? Why would you find him "especially" awful while on a hot streak?
That makes no sense at all.
LaP
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Of course. But allowing 3 goals a game is still a problem and you will have a hard time making the playoffs if you do no matter how good your offense is.
Goalie stats for december.
Condon
Save % of 0.887
GAA of 2.88
Allowed 3 goals in 6 of the 11 games he played (2 of the 5 games where he did not give 3 goals were incomplete games where he played less than half of it)
Tokarski
Save % of 0.882
GAA of 2.91
Allowed 3 goals in 3 of the 5 games he played (one of the 2 games where he did not give 3 goals he played only 15 minutes).
Again if Price comes back soon this is not a problem. If he misses more than half the season this is a problem. Both the attack and the goalies are a problem right now. This is really awful goalie stats even for number 2s.
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Price's injury has reduced the goaltending level from great to near-average--but definitely not to sewer-level. With better defensive support and a few goals both Condon and Scrivens are capable of winning games. I think it's worse than unfair to expect them to perform at Price's level game after game.
I've thought of a nickname for Scrivens: Bartleby, as in Bartleby the Scrivener, a sad story by Herman Melville (you know, of Moby Dick fame). Price returns, Bergevin chooses to send Scrivener (rather than Condon) to St. John's, and Scrivener says, "I prefer not to." He's suspended but he stubbornly remains at the Bell Centre and the Habs see him skate out onto the ice at every practice. They scratch their heads.
Oh, forget it, it's just a passing fancy. Maybe I shouldn't read literature and conflate the sublime with the ridiculous. Maybe it would take a Ken Dryden to appreciate it.
I've thought of a nickname for Scrivens: Bartleby, as in Bartleby the Scrivener, a sad story by Herman Melville (you know, of Moby Dick fame). Price returns, Bergevin chooses to send Scrivener (rather than Condon) to St. John's, and Scrivener says, "I prefer not to." He's suspended but he stubbornly remains at the Bell Centre and the Habs see him skate out onto the ice at every practice. They scratch their heads.
Oh, forget it, it's just a passing fancy. Maybe I shouldn't read literature and conflate the sublime with the ridiculous. Maybe it would take a Ken Dryden to appreciate it.
Lets see:
The capitals have 2 shutout wins this year, 5-2-0 when giving up 3 goals in regulation, and 1-2-1 scoring 1 in regulation
The Stars have 4 shutout wins this year, 8-3-1 giving up 3 goals in regulation, and 0-3-1 when scoring 1 in regulation
Not fair, I'm using the best offensive teams in the league?
The Wild and Hawks are scoring 2.71 goals per game on average, 10th and 11th overall in G/GP rate.
The Wild have 6 (holy **** lol) shutout wins this year, 3-5-1 giving up 3 goals in regulation, and 2-3-3 when scoring 1 in regulation
The Hawks have 5 shutout wins this year, 2-5-1 when giving up 3 goals in regulation, and 0-5-1 scoring 1 in regulation (they also have 2 1-0 OT wins)
The Panthers have 2 shutout wins, 1-6-0 when giving up 3 in regulation, 1-5-1 when scoring 1 in regulation.
The Bruins have 4 shutout wins, 4-3-0 when giving up 3 in regulation, 0-2-0 when scoring 1 in regulation
So yes, it seems to me that you have a better chance to win when giving up 3 in regulation vs scoring 1 in regulation.
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LaP
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Doesn't change the fact that you wont go far with goalies giving near 3 goals every game and having a save % under 900.
Both the attack and the goalies are a problem. Hopefully Price will solve one of the 2 soon. The other one is in the hand of MB.
Why regulation? You don't even need to score a goal in regulation.
It's nice you used playoffs teams but in general I'm doubtful. Is there a way to easily access to data for every team without going through the list?
