Oilers: Schremp or Cogliano???

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  1. trahans99

    trahans99 Registered User

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    I am a big fan of Edmonton and am very happy they have both Schremp and Cogliano, but if the Oilers could only have 1 which one would you take and why? Whats there potentail (points)?

    Its really hard for me to say and we'll get a better idea after WJC.

    I know Schremp is a year older, but I think he has higher upside then Cogliano, although I think Cogliano is a little bit of a safer pick.

    I'm gonna say their potential is:

    Schremp (Doug Weight type player but more goals): 45- 50 goals, 60 assits 110points
    Cogliano (dunno who to compare him to) 35goals 60 assists 95points
     
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    For Cogliano, think Todd Marchant...with hands.
     
  3. PanthersRule96

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    Wow those are Crosby-potential like numbers. Schremp's got amazing talent and stuff but that's a lot of goals and assists.

    I must say though that Cogliano's pick was a great one for Edmonton with the "New NHL".
     
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    Id say the oposite, I think you will find that Schremp will be hard pressed to meet lofty expectations, he isnt big, average skater, he will have a much harder time adjusting then a lot of people think. The Weight comparison is good, i don't think he'll ever hit 100 points(few do). 35g 45-50a in his prime as top potential. Schremp will be very hard pressed to score 40 goals a year, while the shot is there foresure his lack of speed and size will keep him outta top scoring areas and golies arnt gonna get beat often from coming off the half boards as much as they do in junior. Cogliano on the other hand may be the best skater to come a long in a while, has silky smooth hands and moves, couppled with exceptional hockey sense and playmaking skills. Can make moves at top speed, plus is great at slowing the play down as well. He reminds me of a younger Paul Karyia. Cogs is also at this time far superior to Schremp in the defensive zone. Schremp as it stands will have to be sheltered 5 on 5 until his D improves enough so he can take a regular shift. Cogs 35g 50-55a plus playing tough minutes.
     
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    I really hate that comparison as his hockey sense blows marchants away as does his passing.
     
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    first off those potential pt numbers are too high. even in the new NHL a lot of things would have to go right for Schremp to ever have a 110 pt season.

    Schremp has higher upside. Cogliano may be a safer pick because his skating alone will get him in the NHL.

    I'd still go with Schremp.
     
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    Shremp has put up big numbers on an offensive dynamo of a club, but that doesn't mean it will translate to the NHL. Your projections are way too high. From watching Cogliano a lot this past week, you can see that his speed is absolutely exceptional. He may not has Shremp's amazing hands and shot, but speed more then makes up for it. I think it will be easier for Cogliano to overcome his size then it will be for Shremp to overcome his skating.
     
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    No, no, think KARIYA. The kid is dynamite. Oh is he ever.

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    Career-High Production Predictions

    Schremp: 40 G, 45 A, 85 pts
    Cogliano: 35 G, 60 A, 95 pts

    Peak Production Predictions (Excluding Career-High Output)

    Schremp: 30-35 G, 35-40 A, 65-75 pts
    Cogliano: 30-33 G, 40-50 A, 70-83 pts

    Average Production Predictions (Based on healthy seasons in the sophmore-to-age 35 range)

    Schremp: 30 G, 30 A, 60 pts
    Cogliano: 30 G, 40 A, 70 pts
     
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  9. Legionnaire

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    Agreed. But more of a playmaking version.

    Schremp has a ton of skill, slick moves and a shot to match. However, if I were going to make a comparison, I'd say a better version of Comrie.
     
  10. espo*

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    Good thread,i was waiting for it to be posted.I'd have a hard time saying Schremps upside is higher then Coglianos,it's not like he(Cogs) is some hellacious speedster but has little else in his game.The kids got very good hands himself(a Schremp strentgh) and looks like he's got an accurate above average shot too.Another thing i have been impressed with him in the games so far is that for a small guy he plays a decent low game,he really competes out there and works it well down there for a guy who by hockey standards is pretty tiny,he's nifty at fishing the puck out and keeps his eyes peeled for a clear pass that he can make when he wins possession of the puck.His wheels are tremendous,kid can really skate and he sees the ice very well and puts the puck right on the stick.Nice package this kid.

    Schremp has great hands and his shot is terrific,it's more powerful and probally more accurate then Coglianos,super stickhandler,especially in tight quarters.If he could skate better(it's not that bad but not above average) he'd be a SUPER prospect.These two guys skill sets are really close in all but one area.....................skating.Cogliano is such a better skater it's not funny.So theres the tiebreak to me,skating is always money when combined with the rest of Coglianos skills.

    Advantage...................Cogs.
     
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    I disagree(somewhat). I don't think Cogliano has near the shot array that Schremp does. I think that's a big dis-service to his talents.
     
  12. espo*

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    Well he's got a dandy shot array for sure but it's only one aspect of his game.I try to take em all in for both players.
     
  13. I'd go with Cogliano personally if I had the choice between the two. Shremp will be the better power play specialist, not that Cogliano doesn't have the potential to be quite the threat himself on the power play and certainly is presently, but I take Cogliano as I see him being the better all around player, good defensively while having game breaking offensive abilities.
     
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    I have to admit, as an Oilers fan, it's a nice position for Edmonton to be in. It isn't on the same level of a Crosby/Malkin C lineup in Pitts, but Schremp/Cogliano could both turn into explosive players in the new NHL.

    As of right now I would take Schremp, but only because he has proven a bit more, we'll have to see what Cogliano can do over the next couple of years :D
     
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    if you guys really want to know Schremp's upside it is Dennis Savard. If you guys are old enough to remember his offensive genious. His passing and ice awareness are much better than his shot.

    This is the first time I've seen Cogliano play and I am impressed. This guy is fast.

    Oiler fans should just be thankful.
     
  16. espo*

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    But to be Denis Savard he'd have to skate a lot better(Schremp) Denis(besides having good break-away speed) was the conjuere of the spin-arma in it's purest form.Scremp may be able to pull off the spin -arama.....................the break-away speed..........he does'nt have.Better shooter then Denis though.
     
  17. Phanuthier*

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    I hate to say this, but Cogliano looks rediculously skilled. The guy honestly scares me as a Flames fan... what a steal.

    **** :shakehead
     
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    Hey, you guys have Phaneuf, so it's only fair that we can get a couple of stud prospects!!!
     
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    Agreed. Savara was a great skater, the comparison doesn't work at all.
     
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    If Cogliano could learn to finish, he could probably get a couple of goals per game, his speed creates that many chances. I don't know how anyone could say he has a great shot, IMO that's the weakest part of his game, a very weak shot and the inability to finish plays. A fairly good playmaker though. I just don't see him as having elite skills other than his speed and skating, which usually doesn't mean much in the NHL. I think he will be a fine player, and I'm not saying he sucks, but I don't think he has the tools to be a first liner in the the NHL, whereas Schremp most definitely does if he can improve his skating, which can be taught.
     
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    Cogliano has a pretty amazing skill set to complement his speed and skating. that's what sets him apart from the Koltsovs and the Fatas of this world.
     
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    I think that Schremp has a bigger upside than Cogliano, in that he has better vision of the ice, and is stronger. They are both going to be great players nonetheless. I would compare Schremp to a Steve Yzerman type and Cogliano to a better Brendan Morisson.
     
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    I would take Shremp right now mostly because of his ability on the powerplay which is something the oilers haven't had since the 80's....I see Yzerman and Morrison as horrible comparisons though, I would agree with karyia for cogliano and a poor man's sakic for shremp
     
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    Cogliano without looking back with regret :yo:
     
  25. Heavy Fuel

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    Good thread, I wish I could see more London games to gauge how Schremp is doing. Those that bash his skating should be aware that he has made some serious improvements in that area in the last couple of off seasons. One thing I have noticed about Schremp is he is a very determined young man. If he works at his skating like he works at shooting the puck I think those concerns about his skating will fade.

    As for Cogs, watching him in the WJC is a revaltion, he is better than I expected. Right now I would take Schremp if I had to pick, mostly because he seems to be closer to playing and I am an impatient Oil fan. Give Cogs another year, though...

    ...don't feel bad Phanuthier, Boyd looks like a good fit for a Sutter team.
     
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