Pre-Game Talk: Oilers@Hawks

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Someone post lineups from morning skate if they've been released yet.

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[ColdSteel2]

Big test. The Oilers are really coming together this year.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Laz just posted that it looks like Crawford is going to start tonight.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Laz just posted that it looks like Crawford is going to start tonight.

This is a joke, right? If this is true Colliton has been neutered by the vets on this team. Unless Lehner is injured there is no reason for this.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

This is a joke, right? If this is true Colliton has been neutered by the vets on this team. Unless Lehner is injured there is no reason for this.

Not joking. My thoughts exactly.
Confirmed on Twitter (Roumeliotis) that Crawford is in net tonight.

 

[wahsnairb]

blew 4 leads against SJ
blew a 2 goal lead last game
starting Crawford over Lehner?

we are generational at the sneaky throw!

 

[Vaive27]

0-3-1

 

[ColdSteel2]

Well, Crawford doesn’t have experience playing in a timeshare like Lehner. He has always said he needs to play to get into a groove. Colliton is probably just looking for Crow to shake the rust off early in the season before going to more of a split.

 

[Styles]

Let's play the worse goaltender against one of the hottest teams in the league.

I'm surprised we haven't seen the Keith-Seabrook pairing from JC yet.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

I was all on board that Q was past his expiration date and had to go but when Bowman brought in a guy who was younger than some of our core vets my concern was the inmates would control the asylum. So far this looks to be the case. When I watch Colliton behind the bench he looks terrified, scared to even move or breathe. Its certainly possible no coach could win much with this roster but for sure they need someone who could command respect from vets who have won multiple cups. This coach just doesn’t have the pedigree or personality to get that respect.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I was all on board that Q was past his expiration date and had to go but when Bowman brought in a guy who was younger than some of our core vets my concern was the inmates would control the asylum. So far this looks to be the case. When I watch Colliton behind the bench he looks terrified, scared to even move or breathe. Its certainly possible no coach could win much with this roster but for sure they need someone who could command respect from vets who have won multiple cups. This coach just doesn’t have the pedigree or personality to get that respect.

It seems like that is what's happening.

 

[featherhawk]

Not joking. My thoughts exactly.
Confirmed on Twitter (Roumeliotis) that Crawford is in net tonight.

oh my, really beginning to get worried about JC, either he has no clue or someone is telling him who to play and not to play.

Crow has no business playing this game after his two and Lehners one; not to mention the lineups for the last game made absolutely no sense.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

0-3-1

Unless we can score 6 goals tonight this is a likely result

 

[ColdSteel2]

I was all on board that Q was past his expiration date and had to go but when Bowman brought in a guy who was younger than some of our core vets my concern was the inmates would control the asylum. So far this looks to be the case. When I watch Colliton behind the bench he looks terrified, scared to even move or breathe. Its certainly possible no coach could win much with this roster but for sure they need someone who could command respect from vets who have won multiple cups. This coach just doesn’t have the pedigree or personality to get that respect.

They brought in Marc Crawford for that.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

oh my, really beginning to get worried about JC, either he has no clue or someone is telling him who to play and not to play.

Crow has no business playing this game after his two and Lehners one; not to mention the lineups for the last game made absolutely no sense.

They're the same except Nylander in for Perlini. Don't like it.

20-19-92 on the top line. DO IT JC!

 

[hawksrule]

I was all on board that Q was past his expiration date and had to go but when Bowman brought in a guy who was younger than some of our core vets my concern was the inmates would control the asylum. So far this looks to be the case. When I watch Colliton behind the bench he looks terrified, scared to even move or breathe. Its certainly possible no coach could win much with this roster but for sure they need someone who could command respect from vets who have won multiple cups. This coach just doesn’t have the pedigree or personality to get that respect.

Agreed. I want to be open-minded, but JC isn’t earning the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

They brought in Marc Crawford for that.

They brought in an assistant coach to get the respect a young head coach won’t get? Sounds backwards to me

 

[featherhawk]

They're the same except Nylander in for Perlini. Don't like it.

20-19-92 on the top line. DO IT JC!

why would smith be playing? Marc Crawford taking over as head coach it looks like.... he has no business being in the lineup he has done nothing at all. here is what I would role with as posted in the JC thread (same top line as your asking for);


Saad-Toews-Nylander
Kubalik-Shaw-Kane
Cat-Strome-Perlini
Cagguila-Kampf-Carpenter

 

[ColdSteel2]

They brought in an assistant coach to get the respect a young head coach won’t get? Sounds backwards to me

Crawford is there to teach Colliton and back up his message. There is only so much coaching can do. If the core is looking around and surmising the team doesn’t have the talent needed to contend, they’re not always going to give 100%. It sucks, but that’s the reality of having holdovers from a dynasty. Many teams trade their vets when they rebuild because they know those guys only want to play on winning teams.

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Crawford is there to teach Colliton and back up his message. There is only so much coaching can do. If the core is looking around and surmising the team doesn’t have the talent needed to contend, they’re not always going to give 100%. It sucks, but that’s the reality of having holdovers from a dynasty. Many teams trade their vets when they rebuild because they know those guys only want to play on winning teams.

I agree that is a major issue. These vets have been through wars, won championships. How motivated are they to go all out when they are on a team that won’t contend? Its a real problem and its compounded by such a young coach who’s message might get tuned out by vet players who think they know more and don’t respect him.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I agree that is a major issue. These vets have been through wars, won championships. How motivated are they to go all out when they are on a team that won’t contend? Its a real problem and its compounded by such a young coach who’s message might get tuned out by vet players who think they know more and don’t respect him.

Seabrook and Toews are going nowhere. Kane and Keith are moveable. If the Vets aren't going to buy in this has to be discussed.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Seabrook and Toews are going nowhere. Kane and Keith are moveable. If the Vets aren't going to buy in this has to be discussed.

Keith should have been moved a long time ago. No idea why they held onto him so long. Same with Crawford. If he needs to play a lot to succeed, he should not be here. It would also serve as a wake up call to the remaining core to move one or two out.

 

[Fortyfives]

I give it 10 games before JC has to make the decision on whether he likes his job or the vets.

Seabrook should not be playing.
Lehner should get the majority of starts.
Keith’s minutes should be limited

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Keith should have been moved a long time ago. No idea why they held onto him so long. Same with Crawford. If he needs to play a lot to succeed, he should not be here. It would also serve as a wake up call to the remaining core to move one or two out.

If they're going to move members of the core as much as it pains me, it should be Kane that's first to go. He has the most value and should still command a haul in return. Keith and Crawford should be next.

 

[Vaive27]

I agree that is a major issue. These vets have been through wars, won championships. How motivated are they to go all out when they are on a team that won’t contend? Its a real problem and its compounded by such a young coach who’s message might get tuned out by vet players who think they know more and don’t respect him.

Exactly right. Also I don't think the hunger for another cup is there with the core. They won 3 cups so the hunger has gone down a little. It's human nature.