Speculation: Offseason Roster Building Thread 3 - No draft trades? We're all gonna die

[go comets]

Once FA kicks in and teams start signing players, other names we aren't yet considering will start shaking loose from those teams for trades, I think. RF is smart, and will do enough to at least get us thro this year I think. It may be a fluid situation for us until our own young guy are ready to step in. I would actually prefer that to signing some deal that would block our core team from evolving. Just my opinion.

Agreeded, no big hurry for this team to trade away prospects at this point . We are not ready to compete, be patient and continue to build the team.
Players will come available as teams try to get under the cap.

 

[DaveG]

If Thornton & Shattenkirk to NYR are true I'd bet something shakes loose there, though their preference would obviously be to ditch defense.

 

[Roboturner913]

If you look at TT as a center, filling in those lineup holes with what's available via FA and from incoming rookies seems a lot easier.

Aho-Staal-Lindy
Skinner-Rask-x
x-TT-Stempniak
McGinn-Ryan-Nordy

I don't think it's farfetched to pencil TT in that 3C spot. He played a fair amount of center last year and looked good there, IMO. There will surely be a few decent wingers available - a Versteeg, Vanek, Parenteau, etc, even if you're setting sights low, a Versteeg-TT-Stempniak 3rd line gives you a lot of offense if you can manage their matchups. Plug in the best rookie at the other spot and hope for the best.

 

[CheMxDawG]

If you look at TT as a center, filling in those lineup holes with what's available via FA and from incoming rookies seems a lot easier.

Aho-Staal-Lindy
Skinner-Rask-x
x-TT-Stempniak
McGinn-Ryan-Nordy

I don't think it's farfetched to pencil TT in that 3C spot. He played a fair amount of center last year and looked good there, IMO. There will surely be a few decent wingers available - a Versteeg, Vanek, Parenteau, etc, even if you're seeing sights low, a Versteeg-TT-Stempniak 3rd line gives you a lot of offense if you can manage their matchups. Plug in the best rookie at the other spot and hope for the best.

Jordan is underrated at producing points but I'm comfortable with him as #1 if we add some scoring on either side

 

[NotOpie]

Williams is still 40-50 pts player, Bonino is useful offensive third liner. Hanzal is strictly defensive specialist, i don't see a fit. I don't know, maybe minor move like Grabner or something like that. But we need at least another forward.

So I'd be fine w/J-Willy and I like Bonino as a potential 3C. But if Derek Ryan is getting resigned that pushes Wallmark back to Charlotte (or precludes a signing of Bonino who, from a production standpoint is a bigger version of Ryan). After all the glowing kudos placed on Wallmark, it seems "curious". Basically, to me, it means that we are hunting for one guy, probably have 2 or 3 options as to who that one guy is, and if we don't get him, our rookies better be damn good. Or Darling better be damn good. Or everybody else better score 4 or 5 more goals....you get my drift.

 

[geehaad]

Signing Ryan seems to me to be an insurance policy, pure and simple. He can plug a hole for a player out with a short-term injury damn near anywhere in the lineup. Primarily though, my guess is that he's fighting with Wallmark for #4 C. Nothing wrong with that, so long as it's not stupid money.

 

[CandyCanes]

It's kinda interesting that RF hasn't even really acknowledged free agency. Everything about acquiring forward help was that he would do it during the expansion draft / prospect draft period. Never even mentioning that free agency is a possibility to bring a guy in.

 

[MinJaBen]

Signing Ryan seems to me to be an insurance policy, pure and simple. He can plug a hole for a player out with a short-term injury damn near anywhere in the lineup. Primarily though, my guess is that he's fighting with Wallmark for #4 C. Nothing wrong with that, so long as it's not stupid money.

Honestly, I view Ryan signing as a "get to the cap floor" plan. If a big trade had happened during the expansion draft or the entry draft, I bet we'd see Walmark instead next season. But now that that option is more remote, we can sign Ryan to a one year contract that helps us get to the floor without having to give too much term to a UFA. Unfortunately, that is something that Walmart can't do, so he may get another year in the AHL.

 

[JustJoe2k5]

Haven't seen his name mentioned recently, but Sam Gagner really seems like he could be a free agent target. A relatively affordable addition, with the potential to overpay to help reach the cap floor, that is a guaranteed 40-points minimum.

If he makes it to free agency, Jordan Weal is another player I'd like to see targeted. Really seems to be on the cusp of breaking out in an expanded role.

Aho / Staal / Lindholm
Skinner / Rask / Gagner
Weal / Teravainen / Stempniak
McGinn / Ryan / Nordstrom

 

[cptjeff]

Jordan is underrated at producing points but I'm comfortable with him as #1 if we add some scoring on either side

Staal could probably score 20 more points if he got his *** in front of the net on a more regular basis. He gets a lot of scoring chances (and goals) when he sits in front of goalies, but he hardly ever does it for some reason. It mystifies me.

 

[CalUK]

I think we'll see a trade soon, or FA signing too but I think its gonna be a 3rd/2nd line guy for maybe a B prospect and a 2018 draft pick (if a trade). Someone just to fill in the gap for now, and is most likely there until one of the prospect F's is ready.

I'd like to see Stahlberg back on the 4th line tbh as well. He was good.

 

[Roboturner913]

Honestly, I view Ryan signing as a "get to the cap floor" plan.

No, keeping both Ward and Lack in addition to Darling would be the "get to the cap floor plan".

Keeping Ryan is just plain common sense, considering that A) we currently only have 8 forwards under contract and B) going rate for any other 35-point center in free agency is going to be around $3M a year at the very least and probably a good deal more than that.

As far as Wallmark goes, I don't see how the Ryan signing affects him or any other possible rookie coming up. We need 13 forwards on the roster. Ryan makes the 9th. That's 4 more open spots.

 

[DougieSmash]

Who could be trade candidate at this point from other teams:

- Beleskey, Heyes and Spooner from Boston;
- Kane, Moulson and Ennis from Sabres;
- Helm, Tatar and Nyquist from Wings;
- Not sure but probably Killorn, Palat, TJ and Namestnikov from TBL;
- Bozak and JVR from Toronto;
- Maybe Lehtera, Read and Raffl from Flyers;
- Hagelin from Pens;
- Soderberg from Avs;
- Craig Smith and probably C. Wilson from Preds;
- It's possible cause cap trouble Stastny and Berglund from Blues;
- Perreault and Petan from Jets;
- Burmistrov from Arizona;
- Pouliot from Oilers;
- Boedker from Sharks;
- Neal, Marchessault and Perron from Vegas;
- Jurco and Kruger from Hawks;

If we don't want to pay big bucks for Williams, Gagner, Bonino or Hanzal, there's still some option via trade i guess.

 

[DougieSmash]

We are not ready to compete

We are not in position to sell the farm for Duchene/ Landeskog but we are for sure ready to compete for playoff spot.

- We just sign #1 starter for 4-year contract.
- Our D is crazy good and bring big expierence for such an young age. That's final year of ELC for Hanifin, TVR, Pesce and Slavin.
- I agree that we are very young but Skinner is 25, Rask is 24, Faulk is 25, Staal is 28, Lindholm is almost 23 years old with 4 full seasons under his belt. TT is on almost 23 and will play his fourth season in the league.
- What happen when we can't afford much improvement via trade/FA because we should re-sign Slavin, Hanifin, Pesce, TT, Skinner, Aho and Lindholm?

The time is now, we have some cap space and some cheap production because ELC. To bring something here, you should pay. I'm fine with this if we improve the club immediately. Bean could be next Josi or Ellis but we still have Slavin, Hanifin and Fleury on the left side. Slavin is almost on top 10 category for D in the entire league already and Hanifin first two seasons was better than Hedman's first two. We will be OK even without Bean, for example.

 

[OV Rocks]

Hey Carolina fans, I follow the Caps and have a question. What is the asking price on Hanifin and are the rumors true?

Miss the Whalers here in Connecticut hope you guys have a great season

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Hey Carolina fans, I follow the Caps and have a question. What is the asking price on Hanifin and are the rumors true?

Miss the Whalers here in Connecticut hope you guys have a great season

There really aren't any rumors. There were 2 journalists that were both posting their own speculation about Hanifin's availability with no insider information. Friedman said "I think" and Gulitti came right out and tweeted it was pure speculation and he had no insider info. There's nothing credible to say "Hanifin is being shopped" or even available. Francis has shown that he is very tight lipped and nothing really leaks out.

If he were available, I think the Canes would want a 1C/potential of similar age and control. Pieces and parts won't cut it. Nor do I think they'd trade him for a player that is much older with less control (like Duchene). Just my $0.02.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Kuznetsov offer sheet. Win win. OK Francises loses that respect you guys keep talking about but shuts up alot of people. Makes an agent happy. Gives a competitor some cap troubles...

...causes that competitor and perhaps others to drop offer sheets on us when Slavin, Pesce, Hanifin, and Lindholm all hit RFA next year. Offer sheets aren't a solution and there's a reason they're offered so rarely and that only 1 player has changed teams as a result of being offer sheeted since the 2005-2006 CBA went into effect. They're effectively a nuclear option that, given the amount of young, cost-controlled players we have on our roster right now, can only hurt us in the long-run.

 

[Stickpucker]

Kuznetsov offer sheet. Win win. OK Francises loses that respect you guys keep talking about but shuts up alot of people. Makes an agent happy. Gives a competitor some cap troubles...

Think bigger...Draisaitl offersheet!

 

[Lempo]

Think bigger...Draisaitl offersheet!

"There’s always the chatter and I want to be firm and clear that we have a significant amount of space and will match anything," Chiarelli said Thursday.

 

[MinJaBen]

TSN reporting Ryan resigned for 1 year at $1.425M. Seems a bit high like a "****, now I have to get to the cap floor" signing.

 

[MinJaBen]

"There�s always the chatter and I want to be firm and clear that we have a significant amount of space and will match anything," Chiarelli said Thursday.

Cool. Offer the 20% max and watch the Oil never get to the playoffs again.

 

[DougieSmash]

As of now


Aho/ Staal/ TT
McGinn/ Rask/ Lindholm
Skinner/ Ryan/ Stempniak
Nordstrom/ Wallmark/ PDG

terrible...

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

TSN reporting Ryan resigned for 1 year at $1.425M. Seems a bit high like a "****, now I have to get to the cap floor" signing.

Yeah it's whatever if it's one year.

Disappointing that the moves weren't there to take advantage of the cap space, but if they aren't, you've gotta get to the floor somehow.

 

[GoldiFox]

Kind of crazy that right now the Canes are spending more on 3 goalies ($10.2 million) than their entire top-7 D ($9.738). Ideally that number cuts in half after next year. With Darling ($4.15 million) as a clear starter with a young backup (<$1 million).

Cost certainty can (and I think will) be addressed early this summer. Slavin and Pesce can be extended on deals fitting for their age/status (~$3.5-5 million for 6+ years). I think Lindholm will want to play out the season, but it is possible if offered a deal similar to Rask ($4-5 million for 4 years). Hanifin/TVR will likely play out the season and be re-assessed after.

Slavin: $742k --> $4.5 million (+$3.75 million)
Pesce: $809k --> $3.5 million (+$2.75 million)
Lindholm: $2.7 million --> $4 million (+$1.3 million)
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Cam: $3.3 million --> $1 million (-$2.3 million) replaced by backup
Lack: $2.75 million --> $0 (-2.75 million) don't need three goalies
Wiz/Lack Buyout - $1 million --> $1 million ($0) Losing Wiz buyout / gaining Lack is a wash


Overall gain $7-8 million in Cap and lose $5 million in Cap while hopefully locking up Slavin, Pesce, and Lindholm up for the next 4+ years. It sounds scary, but I don't see more than $3 million net being added for these core pieces after the goalie mess works itself out. Sign Hanifin to a $2-2.5 million bridge and TVR as-needed (QO?).

The next big hurdle comes in 2 years with Skinner and then 3 years with Faulk.

 

[GoldiFox]

As of now


Aho/ Staal/ TT
McGinn/ Rask/ Lindholm
Skinner/ Ryan/ Stempniak
Nordstrom/ Wallmark/ PDG

terrible...

Same team as last year.

I really, really want to see a decent top-6 addition. Having said that, last year's team with significant improvements to the starting goalie and the 3rd pairing is right in the Playoff mix. The Metro made some massive improvements across the board and the Canes have to keep up... but hopefully the Canes should be able to compete right now.