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Why is everyone saying Crouse’s name now?
Speculation and Coyotes doomsday fandom. Nothing concrete. No smoke. No fire. Just 26 years of dick kicks. haha
Why is everyone saying Crouse’s name now?
Did Craig say anything about it or was it just that one tweet regarding Winnipeg?Speculation and Coyotes doomsday fandom. Nothing concrete. No smoke. No fire. Just 26 years of dick kicks. haha
Craig did say both sides haven't spoken since the draft.Did Craig say anything about it or was it just that one tweet regarding Winnipeg?
Ok that makes more sense.Craig did say both sides haven't spoken since the draft.
The situation just seems eerily familiar to what they did with Garland.
Guenther played mostly RW and C in the WHL. Not much LW. That’s the Jake Neighbours spot.Re: Crouse, we all like him but I think it's a bit more complicated.
The question is how much will we end up having to pay him, and how does that fit into the cap of a SC contending team. And if we pay him what he's worth (for me that's around 4 - 5.5m long term) then cap wise he'd need to be in the top 6 otherwise the numbers don't work. 4 - 5.5m is far too much for a bottom sixer, even one who does things like hit, kill penalties etc.
So the question is does Crouse actually fit into our top 6?
Keller - Cooley - Schmaltz
Guenther - Geekie - ????
One spot left, lots of potential players like Crouse / Hayton / McBain / Smith / whoever we draft next year (Bedard/Michkov?) or even a player like Maccelli if he can translate his AHL scoring. This is not even considering that Auston Matthews guy that is a debate for another time / thread.
So, BA has a tough decision. Crouse filed for arbitration, so imo he's going to get paid, he's obviously worth the $$. So now BA has to decide whether he thinks Crouse is good enough to not only make our top 6 but also contribute as much as players like for instance, Teuvo / Patches in CAR, Palat in Tampa, Burakovsky / Nik in COL, Giroux in OTT etc etc (f*** that Ottawa top 6 is good).
If not, I think BA has to seriously consider moving him for assets sooner or later. And you can easily make the argument for "sooner" bc the 2023 draft is supposed to be so good. Either way a tough decision for BA especially given the way Crouse plays and how much he means to the team and team culture
Guenther played mostly RW and C in the WHL. Not much LW. That’s the Jake Neighbours spot.
Also a bit rich keeping Schmaltz there. I don’t see him as a core piece under BA. Too soft and too streaky.
Craig said several times around draft day that Crouse was not available.Craig did say both sides haven't spoken since the draft.
The situation just seems eerily familiar to what they did with Garland.
I agree. I think they should give Crouse a nice long contract.… makes me much more nervous about how the hell this team can possibly turn around when we begin to inject the roster with more and more youth.
I seen it a lot in the past. Mostly like poker and bluffing. It was reported that it was about money and they agree about term. So far neither side has agreed to make concessions to the other side at the moment. If anything, BA probably shouldn't have said that Crouse was untouchable and now Crouse wants to see what that means monetarily. Seen a lot of these arbitration cases get done right before their case is heard. If it does go to arbitration, then I can see Crouse getting traded afterwards, but in all likelihood it will be worked out beforehand.Craig said several times around draft day that Crouse was not available.
Now it’s gone quiet. Sounds more like Chych than Garland in that Crouse may be asking out.
BA could give him a 4 year deal that would expire around the time a bunch of ELCs expire so money shouldn’t be an issue…..the player wanting out is more likely the issue.
Depending on who you deal with but getting a top ten might to be hard to get for next year.Josh Bailey and Panik for a 1st
Crouse to someone for a 1st
Chychrun for a package including a 2023 1st.
BA loads up for the 2023 draft. We continue the tank.
The cap is going up substantially. I think they said as early as next year or the year after. Crouse can play up and down the line up, is big, can skate, is young, a good team mate, and is home grown. He, like Chychrun are the kinds of players you build around. I just don't get why this signing should be a problem. I guess we will find out in a few days.Re: Crouse, we all like him but I think it's a bit more complicated.
The question is how much will we end up having to pay him, and how does that fit into the cap of a SC contending team. And if we pay him what he's worth (for me that's around 4 - 5.5m long term) then cap wise he'd need to be in the top 6 otherwise the numbers don't work. 4 - 5.5m is far too much for a bottom sixer, even one who does things like hit, kill penalties etc.
So the question is does Crouse actually fit into our top 6?
Keller - Cooley - Schmaltz
Guenther - Geekie - ????
One spot left, lots of potential players like Crouse / Hayton / McBain / Smith / whoever we draft next year (Bedard/Michkov?) or even a player like Maccelli if he can translate his AHL scoring. This is not even considering that Auston Matthews guy that is a debate for another time / thread.
So, BA has a tough decision. Crouse filed for arbitration, so imo he's going to get paid, he's obviously worth the $$. So now BA has to decide whether he thinks Crouse is good enough to not only make our top 6 but also contribute as much as players like for instance, Teuvo / Patches in CAR, Palat in Tampa, Burakovsky / Nik in COL, Giroux in OTT etc etc (f*** that Ottawa top 6 is good).
If not, I think BA has to seriously consider moving him for assets sooner or later. And you can easily make the argument for "sooner" bc the 2023 draft is supposed to be so good. Either way a tough decision for BA especially given the way Crouse plays and how much he means to the team and team culture
That's what I'm hoping for.I seen it a lot in the past. Mostly like poker and bluffing. It was reported that it was about money and they agree about term. So far neither side has agreed to make concessions to the other side at the moment. If anything, BA probably shouldn't have said that Crouse was untouchable and now Crouse wants to see what that means monetarily. Seen a lot of these arbitration cases get done right before their case is heard. If it does go to arbitration, then I can see Crouse getting traded afterwards, but in all likelihood it will be worked out beforehand.
Wonder if we could combine those and do Wahlstrom, Bailey, and the ‘23 NYI 1st for Crouse. Wahlstrom is 3yrs younger but is an RFA and likely to get Kakko money. Not sure if that saves the Isles enough cap for Kadri or not. But adding Kadri, Crouse and Romanov in one off season certainly makes a statement about getting better and harder to play against.
I’ve comments that conditioning and off ice commitment have been issues. I’ve also see pictures this summer of him being completely jacked. So either that narrative was false or he’s really doubled down on his career in the off-season.Interesting idea. Not sure where I sit with Wahlstrom but would be interested to see what AT could do with him and he has a skillet not many of our forward prospects have.
If you ask a NYI fan they seem to hype the hell out of the kid. If you watch him play you see why he gets benched and sheltered minutes. But he is young (2018 draft right?) and if he can put it all together could be very valuable instead of just a nifty winger with a good shot.
Kind of has two roads in front of him. Is he more like Vatrano or is he more like Bjorkstrad?