Value of: Offersheet from Edmonton for Lindholm

[s7ark]

How high would Edmonton have to go to get the Ducks to not match? The Ducks have 14.8M in cap space with only 8F signed and still need a backup G as well. They also want to ice a good team and have an internal budget of an unknown amount. Ideally I'd love a 46.9M 7yr deal to keep the RFA compensation under 4 1sts. But if it requires 4 1sts, I am cool with that too.

Obviously a 7yr deal would be needed. 7M? 7.5M? 8M? How high would Edmonton have to go to pry Lindholm away from the Ducks?

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[alcolol]

Here we go again.. Why offersheet him when you can just trade us Pouliot and Yakupov?

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Draisatl, Puljujaarvi, McDavid, Nurse. Offersheets are playing with fire. Especially for a team pretty close to the cap like the Oilers. Just my two cents.

 

[Exit Dose]

I don't really see how Edmonton could afford an offersheet that wouldn't be matched.

 

[Studz]

How high would Edmonton have to go to get the Ducks to not match? The Ducks have 14.8M in cap space with only 8F signed and still need a backup G as well. They also want to ice a good team and have an internal budget of an unknown amount. Ideally I'd love a 46.9M 7yr deal to keep the RFA compensation under 4 1sts. But if it requires 4 1sts, I am cool with that too.

Obviously a 7yr deal would be needed. 7M? 7.5M? 8M? How high would Edmonton have to go to pry Lindholm away from the Ducks?

Why bother, attempt to trade for him or walk away because....

Draisatl, Puljujaarvi, McDavid, Nurse. Offersheets are playing with fire. Especially for a team pretty close to the cap like the Oilers. Just my two cents.

Exactly this.

 

[MissionCanucksFan]

How high would Edmonton have to go to get the Ducks to not match? The Ducks have 14.8M in cap space with only 8F signed and still need a backup G as well. They also want to ice a good team and have an internal budget of an unknown amount. Ideally I'd love a 46.9M 7yr deal to keep the RFA compensation under 4 1sts. But if it requires 4 1sts, I am cool with that too.

Obviously a 7yr deal would be needed. 7M? 7.5M? 8M? How high would Edmonton have to go to pry Lindholm away from the Ducks?

I'm sure Mur ray would love to take your 4 1st's as they have potential to be good picks. Then in a year Murray will slip an nice fat offer sheet to Draisaitl and the year after that, Nurse, and the year after that McDavid.
Remember how close you guys are to the cap now and not many GMs are knocking on the door to take an injury riddles RHN and his $6mil hit and Yakupov.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

How high would Edmonton have to go to get the Ducks to not match? The Ducks have 14.8M in cap space with only 8F signed and still need a backup G as well. They also want to ice a good team and have an internal budget of an unknown amount. Ideally I'd love a 46.9M 7yr deal to keep the RFA compensation under 4 1sts. But if it requires 4 1sts, I am cool with that too.

Obviously a 7yr deal would be needed. 7M? 7.5M? 8M? How high would Edmonton have to go to pry Lindholm away from the Ducks?

No one here can give you an exact answer because no one knows the exactly what the Ducks budget will be. I will say there is zero chance the Ducks wouldn't match any offer that doesn't come with four 1sts compensation.

 

[belair]

The Ducks have more cap space than Edmonton. So that's not really how offer sheets work.

After the Ducks sign Lindholm, their #6 defenseman is making $3.25m for the next two seasons. It's not exactly a preferable situation on their back-end. The Oilers should take notes.

 

[TFHockey]

The Oilers will sign those players to extensions long before they ever reached RFA status. I understand some fans from other franchises hate the Oilers and would bash literally every move they make and every player they have (IE snipetype )

However in this instance I am forced to agree. Edm shouldn't be sending offer sheets anywhere. We have enough trouble trying to make trades as it is. The Oilers should not alienate other GMs out there just to make an offer to a player the Ducks would match anyway.

To tell you the truth I'd like to see the offer sheet mechanism removed from the next CBA. It just screws with the budgets and line ups of every team.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Here we go again.. Why offersheet him when you can just trade us Pouliot and Yakupov?

So this is why you frequent the trade discussion thread on the Oilers sub-group? So you can use post from fans obviously biased towards the Oilers as a way to mock the whole fan base on the main boards?

 

[s7ark]

Draisatl, Puljujaarvi, McDavid, Nurse. Offersheets are playing with fire. Especially for a team pretty close to the cap like the Oilers. Just my two cents.

The Oilers have had their time at the draft. I highly doubt their next 4 1sts would be high enough to get players like that in the draft with a top 4 of Lindholm, Larsson, Klefbom and Sekera.

Even if they gave away 1 or two top 10 picks and got Lindholm, I'd be perfectly fine with that deal.

I don't really see how Edmonton could afford an offersheet that wouldn't be matched.

Edmonton has 6.9 in cap space with Ference due to go on the IR with his 3.25M. They also have guys like Pouliot 4M, Fayne 3.625M, and maybe one of RNH or Ebs they could deal if it came down to it. They could probably go as high as 9M or so for Lindholm and still be pretty comfortable for next season.

 

[TFHockey]

The Ducks have more cap space than Edmonton. So that's not really how offer sheets work.

After the Ducks sign Lindholm, their #6 defenseman is making $3.25m for the next two seasons. It's not exactly a preferable situation on their back-end. The Oilers should take notes.

They have cap room but they also have an internal budget that is lower than the cap. No one knows for sure that that number will be this year.

Further it might not be a stretch to guess the Ducks would extend their internal budget if it meant keeping a player like Lindholm. Ownership wouldn't be happy about it but I think that would be a real possibility if it came down to it.

 

[McSuper]

Here we go again.. Why offersheet him when you can just trade us Pouliot and Yakupov?

I said it before and I will say it again . I don't want to offer sheet anyone . I would rather built up a good rep with other GM's .

The 2nd part of your statement . Fact 1) There were rumours of Yak and Pouliot to the Ducks so that part is not far fetched . The reture is what is in questions and the details . I also told fellow Oilers fans there was a one sided rumour there were never a mention of what the Ducks were offering . For all we know it was Maroon for both with Edmonton retaining 50% on both . Who knows is my point and if the Ducks were interested it is possible it gets revisit

 

[s7ark]

The Oilers will sign those players to extensions long before they ever reached RFA status. I understand some fans from other franchises hate the Oilers and would bash literally every move they make and every player they have (IE snipetype )

However in this instance I am forced to agree. Edm shouldn't be sending offer sheets anywhere. We have enough trouble trying to make trades as it is. The Oilers should not alienate other GMs out there just to make an offer to a player the Ducks would match anyway.

To tell you the truth I'd like to see the offer sheet mechanism removed from the next CBA. It just screws with the budgets and line ups of every team.

The Oilers have signed 2 players to offersheets in recently memory. Vanek who was matched, and Penner who wasn't. Edmonton has had no problems dealing with Buffalo or Anaheim since. GMs may get pissed off in the short term if their players are signed to offersheets, but it doesn't hamper future deals with those franchises.

 

[Exit Dose]

Edmonton has 6.9 in cap space with Ference due to go on the IR with his 3.25M. They also have guys like Pouliot 4M, Fayne 3.625M, and maybe one of RNH or Ebs they could deal if it came down to it. They could probably go as high as 9M or so for Lindholm and still be pretty comfortable for next season.

Yeah, but a lot of that is going to be needed to re-sign all that talent over the next few seasons.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So this is why you frequent the trade discussion thread on the Oilers sub-group? So you can use post from fans obviously biased towards the Oilers as a way to mock the whole fan base on the main boards?

There were multiple Oilers fans pushing that ridiculous angle on the main boards, so he wouldn't have had to venture over to the Oilers section to catch wind of that laugher.

 

[s7ark]

I said it before and I will say it again . I don't want to offer sheet anyone . I would rather built up a good rep with other GM's .

The 2nd part of your statement . Fact 1) There were rumours of Yak and Pouliot to the Ducks so that part is not far fetched . The reture is what is in questions and the details . I also told fellow Oilers fans there was a one sided rumour there were never a mention of what the Ducks were offering . For all we know it was Maroon for both with Edmonton retaining 50% on both . Who knows is my point and if the Ducks were interested it is possible it gets revisit

So they will keep offering us great deals like Hall for Larsson and the rumoured RNH for Barrie(Avs consider him a 5D PP guy that they don't want to pay and he's still going to cost RNH.

i'll take the offersheet route.

Yeah, but a lot of that is going to be needed to re-sign all that talent over the next few seasons.

McDavid, Drai and Nurse are really the only big ticket items that would need to be locked up. Nurse hasn't proven he will need a big contact number yet. Drai is 50/50 on that. McDavid will need his 9M+ but they can still get that done by moving RNH and Pouliot out. Fayne will be off the books by McDavid's contract extension as well. Plus the cap will probably keep going up as well.

 

[Avs44]

So they will keep offering us great deals like Hall for Larsson and the rumoured RNH for Barrie(Avs consider him a 5D PP guy that they don't want to pay and he's still going to cost RNH.

Can't wait for a link to this. I've already debunked all your other Oiler fans who tried to post this in the past, but please, have fun trying to back it up. I've already got a link and some basic instruction on the meaning of English words, but I'd like to see it anyways.

 

[s7ark]

Can't wait for a link to this. I've already debunked all your other Oiler fans who tried to post this in the past, but please, have fun trying to back it up. I've already got a link and some basic instruction on the meaning of English words, but I'd like to see it anyways.

Topic for another thread but this video is what I am going off. http://www.denverpost.com/2016/05/27/will-the-avalanche-trade-defenseman-tyson-barrie/

Around 1:55

 

[Avs44]

Topic for another thread but this video is what I am going off. http://www.denverpost.com/2016/05/27/will-the-avalanche-trade-defenseman-tyson-barrie/

Around 1:55

Of course. First, the video is amateur, both of those men are hacks. Frei practically reports nothing on the Avs, all he does is want to write books. Here is what he says:

I think Patrick Roy really wants to get a big, strong defence. I think he really believes that Tyson Barrie should be at best a fifth defenceman and a power play specialist

I think, I think, I think. That is someone's opinion. Nowhere does he say someone from the Avs said that, nor is there a quote from anyone within the Avs organization saying that. Frei's opinion ("I think) =/= "The Avs think." Terry Frei is not the Avalanche. Anyone holding that to be true is basically saying that Patrick Roy did this:

- gave his #5 defensman the most even strength minutes of any player on the entire club, ahead of all forwards and even guys like EJ.
- gave his #5 defensman 23 minutes a game
- played his #5 defensman over 25 minutes a game 18 times

Basic logic should debunk the truth of that. #5 defensmen don't get those minutes. If Roy is giving his #5 defensman the most even strength minutes on the team then I guess he must figure EJ is a #6? Beachemin should be in the pressbox?

 

[Frank the Tank]

There were multiple Oilers fans pushing that ridiculous angle on the main boards, so he wouldn't have had to venture over to the Oilers section to catch wind of that laugher.

He is there, nonetheless, acting as a self-appointed "reality check" for all things Ducks related.

Rational hockey fans know that Lindholm is prized by the Ducks and would take a lot to acquire. Just because a few out of literally hundreds of us Oilers fans on this website have floated the idea doesn't mean that represents a realistic trade offer.

Let's put it this way - how much would the Ducks ownership group be willing to exceed their internal budget in order to retain Lindholm? Are they comfortable spending to the cap of $73M even though they have historically hovered around an internal budget of $65M? Even then, if ownership wants to spend more this seasob and match a big offer, such a move could shake loose another defenseman.

 

[eternalbedhead]

I don't think Edmonton should consider this as they're probably shooting themselves in the foot with an offersheet high enough that the Ducks would match and that Lindholm would sign. First off, they're giving up a 1st for next year when they're not quite out of the rebuild yet. Second off, they have a couple key RFAs coming off their ELCs within the next 2 years, including Connor McDavid who is likely to want a gargantuan raise. Also up for renewal are guys like Draisaitl and Nurse. Including the fact that Lucic is now signed long-term, adding another long-term contract to the books is not a good idea for Edmonton with the contract situation they have, although I'm no Oilers fan so any insight about who might be out the door and who might not be would be welcome.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

They'd be better off just over paying for him in a trade and getting him signed to a decent contract.

Say it went through and you paid 7.50 for him, to resign mcdavid in a couple years your basically going to lose drai. + 4 first round picks and likely couple other guys that want too much money. Yes lindholm helps you guys a lot but your essentially going to lose 5-6 firsts in the process.

 

[belair]

They have cap room but they also have an internal budget that is lower than the cap. No one knows for sure that that number will be this year.

Further it might not be a stretch to guess the Ducks would extend their internal budget if it meant keeping a player like Lindholm. Ownership wouldn't be happy about it but I think that would be a real possibility if it came down to it.

They'd just match and blowout salary from other parts of their organization. They have the entire off-season to adjust.

Seriously though if offer-sheets were a thing, one would be done by now. The number of elite players on RFA contracts available right now is insane. The repercussions of the offer-sheet are far too high. They should just eliminate them.

 

[s7ark]

They'd be better off just over paying for him in a trade and getting him signed to a decent contract

Ducks will absolutely not trade him. Besides if Hall was the cost for Lasrron, i don't trust what Chia would have to pay for Lindholm.