Off-Season Discussion 2023

[Bringer of Jollity]

It is that summer's 10-year anniversary after all..

I see a multi-year deal for Josh Bailey looming.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I see a multi-year deal for Josh Bailey looming.

Good eye. I could see a 2 year deal on something like this as well to be our bottom line C.

 

[Kebs]

So who the heck is going to be the whipping boy this upcoming season????

Dante "Dr. Fumbles" Fabbro

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Dante "Dr. Fumbles" Fabbro

Definitely f***ing Fabbro, followed by whoever of Smith, McCarron, Jankowski, Sherwood are sliding higher in the lineup that it's perceived they should.

 

[ShagDaddy]

 

[Enoch]

Trade Ryan McD. Trade Saros.

You can keep Josi and forsberg. Go full rebuild otherwise.

It honestly makes no sense to do otherwise at this situation unless you are acquiring a skilled forward via trade.

 

[predhead1]

How nice would Eeli Tolvanen look in the current lineup, right?

Too soon

 

[ShagDaddy]

Trade Ryan McD. Trade Saros.

You can keep Josi and forsberg. Go full rebuild otherwise.

It honestly makes no sense to do otherwise at this situation unless you are acquiring a skilled forward via trade.

Trotz loves everything about McD, he’s made that very clear in his interviews. McD is the kind of player Trotz wants around to help mentor and mold the young players.

 

[Enoch]

Trotz loves everything about McD, he’s made that very clear in his interviews. McD is the kind of player Trotz wants around to help mentor and mold the young players.

Ekholm is too. We traded him for a ransom. McD is in a different situation, I get it. I also like him as a player and prefer to keep him, but not if we are rebuilding.

If you are going to buy out our 1st/2nd best forward, with tons of cap room, then you are signaling rebuild. IF you are going half measures after that, extremely flawed judgement.

 

[ShagDaddy]

Ekholm is too. We traded him for a ransom. McD is in a different situation, I get it. I also like him as a player and prefer to keep him, but not if we are rebuilding.

If you are going to buy out our 1st/2nd best forward, with tons of cap room, then you are signaling rebuild. IF you are going half measures after that, extremely flawed judgement.

Buying out Duchene is a culture move nothing more, nothing less

 

[Enoch]

Over 8.8mil in dead space this season … 11.75 in 2024-25. This gets interesting

I hate it.

Buying out Duchene is a culture move nothing more, nothing less

This may be the case, but until I hear that from Trotz, it is speculation/assumption. I haven't seen info that Duchene was a bad lockerroom guy.

 

[predfan24]

With Trotz cleaning house and clearly going for a youth movement I wonder what Josi's reaction will be? He turned 33 last month. Clearly the Preds aren't planning on competing for cups the next few seasons. Will Josi want out to go somewhere where he gets a chance at a cup or does he fancy captaining a team he spent his whole career with until retirement?

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Best case scenario, where does our contending window start? I'd like to see a few perspectives.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Best case scenario, where does our contending window start? I'd like to see a few perspectives.

Better asked after tomorrow or the few days after probably. As stands, with no further major additions or subtractions...I'm not seeing a natural progression to one. If all our young guys pan out and keep developing, the point at which they could make us a contender coincides with Josi and McDonagh being done.

I have to think there are more moves coming. If we have traded off/bought out what we have over the last 6-12 months+, but are not moving Saros, Trotz is actually keeping us right in the mushy middle.

 

[Edgework]

So who the heck is going to be the whipping boy this upcoming season????

1. Forsberg. He’s the only forward who isn’t on an unpaid internship, so he will be blamed for every foul smell in the greater southeast US. “Forsberg underwhelming” needs to just be moved to the free space on the bingo cards. He’s screwed.

2. McDonagh. He’s like 52. At some point we are going to be contractually obliged to start calling him slow.

3. Glass and Novak and Tomasino. Evangelista and Parssinen are still pretty young, but Glass and Tomo have enough games that about halfway through the season we realize they aren’t prospects anymore, and this is just who they are. And Novak is like 27. I plan to get ahead of the curve and start hating on them about Christmas.

4. Carrier and Fabbro have always been lightning rods. Why stop now just because the whole team is bad?

5. Anyone on the fourth line is always fair game. I mean, if they could handle and shoot they’d be higher up the lineup, right? Smith and Sissons are presumably in trouble here, no matter how well they play.

6. Third line is usually exempt if it’s prospects, but on the hot seat if it’s veterans.

Hope that helps!

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Saros at 50% to LA for Arvy/Moore (cap dump) + Byfield +?

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Saros at 50% to LA for Arvy/Moore (cap dump) + Byfield +?

If they added a pick to that I could get on board. They either need to find a package they like or work out something for a targeted player they like and I suppose that could be Byfield.

 

[hido]

1. Forsberg. He’s the only forward who isn’t on an unpaid internship, so he will be blamed for every foul smell in the greater southeast US. “Forsberg underwhelming” needs to just be moved to the free space on the bingo cards. He’s screwed.

2. McDonagh. He’s like 52. At some point we are going to be contractually obliged to start calling him slow.

3. Glass and Novak and Tomasino. Evangelista and Parssinen are still pretty young, but Glass and Tomo have enough games that about halfway through the season we realize they aren’t prospects anymore, and this is just who they are. And Novak is like 27. I plan to get ahead of the curve and start hating on them about Christmas.

4. Carrier and Fabbro have always been lightning rods. Why stop now just because the whole team is bad?

5. Anyone on the fourth line is always fair game. I mean, if they could handle and shoot they’d be higher up the lineup, right? Smith and Sissons are presumably in trouble here, no matter how well they play.

6. Third line is usually exempt if it’s prospects, but on the hot seat if it’s veterans.

Hope that helps!

You forgot Brunette. As in, "I told you we should have hired Karl Taylor instead of Brunette."

 

[Kat Predator]

Trotz loves everything about McD, he’s made that very clear in his interviews. McD is the kind of player Trotz wants around to help mentor and mold the young players.

It's a shame he's so slow.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

If they added a pick to that I could get on board. They either need to find a package they like or work out something for a targeted player they like and I suppose that could be Byfield.

I know they are looking for solid 4th line types as well so would add in Trenin if they were willing for it to be a more neutral cap exchange...and would definitely then expect an extra piece of at least moderate value.

Then you go with Lankinen/Askarov and see what the kid can do.

 

[Kat Predator]

Buying out Duchene is a culture move nothing more, nothing less

Yep. It's a culture move that says, "If you are a big name free agent, don't come here."

 

[Flgatorguy87]

I know they are looking for solid 4th line types as well so would add in Trenin if they were willing for it to be a more neutral cap exchange...and would definitely then expect an extra piece of at least moderate value.

Then you go with Lankinen/Askarov and see what the kid can do.

I'd rather go Lankinen and replacement level back up. I think Askarov needs full games in Milwaukee and then you can start a transition next year depending on how he's developed. He needs to mature in his decision making. He plays to fast and reckless at this stage.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I'd rather go Lankinen and replacement level back up. I think Askarov needs full games in Milwaukee and then you can start a transition next year depending on how he's developed. He needs to mature in his decision making. He plays to fast and reckless at this stage.

Well, we could sign another Dave Rittich (or Lankinen I suppose) type that we could always shove off to the AHL if Askarov looks ready to play at the NHL level.

 

[Flgatorguy87]

Well, we could sign another Dave Rittich (or Lankinen I suppose) type that we could always shove off to the AHL if Askarov looks ready to play at the NHL level.

Yeah, I think if you reach the point of trading Saros then Lankinen is more than sufficient for 55 games and then whomever gives you the rest

 

[Kat Predator]

Better asked after tomorrow or the few days after probably. As stands, with no further major additions or subtractions...I'm not seeing a natural progression to one. If all our young guys pan out and keep developing, the point at which they could make us a contender coincides with Josi and McDonagh being done.

I have to think there are more moves coming. If we have traded off/bought out what we have over the last 6-12 months+, but are not moving Saros, Trotz is actually keeping us right in the mushy middle.

My confidence that Trotz can blow a nice hole in the bottom of the ship continues to increase.