(Of These) Who's the best player younger than Mario Lemieux?

[BraveCanadian]

Actually your opinion is really random, because that's exactly where the HoH ranked him among players younger than Mario, 10th.

It is a pretty big step down, then

 

[McVespa99]

Its Crosby. Hes solidifying himself as #5 all time and even challenging Gordie now.

69 points in his last 50 games, the best 34 YO PPG, looking like a world beater in the POs last year...


If youd even consider Mcdavid over Sid at this point of their careers youre a fool.

You post the first and then expect us to take you seriously on the 2nd?

 

[Video Nasty]

Its Crosby. Hes solidifying himself as #5 all time and even challenging Gordie now.

69 points in his last 50 games, the best 34 YO PPG, looking like a world beater in the POs last year...


If youd even consider Mcdavid over Sid at this point of their careers youre a fool.

Howe had 44 goals and 103 points in 76 games at age 40 in a scoring environment similar to a few seasons ago. He trailed only 26 year old Phil Esposito and 30 year old Bobby Hull in scoring. He finished directly ahead of 28 year old Stan Mikita.

Crosby still has a long way to go to challenge Howe’s spot and Lemieux is the first one to fall, if that were to ever happen.

By the end of McDavid’s career, if healthy, there’s no question he’ll remold the Big Four into a Fab Five or whatever name people dub it.

 

[Mrb1p]

Howe had 44 goals and 103 points in 76 games at age 40 in a scoring environment similar to a few seasons ago. He trailed only 26 year old Phil Esposito and 30 year old Bobby Hull in scoring. He finished directly ahead of 28 year old Stan Mikita.

Crosby still has a long way to go to challenge Howe’s spot and Lemieux is the first one to fall, if that were to ever happen.

By the end of McDavid’s career, if healthy, there’s no question he’ll remold the Big Four into a Fab Five or whatever name people dub it.

Yes, he still has years to go before matching Howes longevity. He is doing it right now when most people thought hed have a short career.

As for Lemieux and Mcdavid, I dont agree plain and simple. Lemieux is #2 or #3 all time on most lists, Mcdavid is tracking similarly to Crosby in a way higher scoring league.

 

[NyQuil]

Its Crosby. Hes solidifying himself as #5 all time and even challenging Gordie now.

69 points in his last 50 games, the best 34 YO PPG, looking like a world beater in the POs last year...

Gordie Howe was 3rd in NHL scoring with 103 points in 76 GP at age 40.

EDIT: Damn it, already said 2 posts above but bears repeating.

 

[Mrb1p]

Gordie Howe was 3rd in NHL scoring with 103 points in 76 GP at age 40.

EDIT: Damn it, already said 2 posts above but bears repeating.

1.38 > 1.35

Though obvious theres the 5 years difference that plays a role too.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Gordie Howe's 6 Hart Trophies and 6 Art Ross Trophies means Crosby will never catch him. 12 times top 3 in Hart voting vs 7.

Howe's offensive peak is only bested by Gretzky and (briefly) Lemieux. He combined this with the best defensive play of any elite offensive winger and the best elite longevity in the sport's history.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Its Crosby. Hes solidifying himself as #5 all time and even challenging Gordie now.

69 points in his last 50 games, the best 34 YO PPG, looking like a world beater in the POs last year...


If youd even consider Mcdavid over Sid at this point of their careers youre a fool.

In what way?

 

[Mrb1p]

Gordie Howe's 6 Hart Trophies and 6 Art Ross Trophies means Crosby will never catch him. 12 times top 3 in Hart voting vs 7.

Howe's offensive peak is only bested by Gretzky and (briefly) Lemieux. He combined this with the best defensive play of any elite offensive winger and the best elite longevity in the sport's history.

Crosby has 6 PPG top 1 to 7 for Howe, its not a huge difference.

You can close your eyes and claim Crosby "didnt actually do it" or what ever, be my guess. Thats asinine though, because he has lead the league in PPG for his whole career, it doesnt take a genius to understand thst 1+1=2.

Also, Crosbys offensive peak is 10 years. From 2006 to 2016, he was out of the top 3 once. Howe did not achieve that. The year he finished outside the top 3 in PPG, he actually was 2nd in points.

People really need to start respecting Crosby.

In what way?

Howe and Crosby have very similar offensive peaks, Crosby is now tying the knot on the longevity too.

 

[stevo61]

Crosby. "The perfect human" was the only other choice that gave me half a second of hesitation. I like Ovi more but still think Crosby is the better player.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Crosby has 6 PPG top 1 to 7 for Howe, its not a huge difference.

You can close your eyes and claim Crosby "didnt actually do it" or what ever, be my guess. Thats asinine though, because he has lead the league in PPG for his whole career, it doesnt take a genius to understand thst 1+1=2.

Also, Crosbys offensive peak is 10 years. From 2006 to 2016, he was out of the top 3 once. Howe did not achieve that. The year he finished outside the top 3 in PPG, he actually was 2nd in points.

People really need to start respecting Crosby.


Howe and Crosby have very similar offensive peaks, Crosby is now tying the knot on the longevity too.

And Crosby doing it against a much larger playing pool is more impressive than Howe playing against a league comprising only players from inland Canada

 

[jigglysquishy]

I won't give Crosby credit for leading the league in PPG in 11-12. For one, it was only 22 games.

For two, Malkin had more points in that same 22 game stretch.

Howe finished top 5 in points 20 consecutive seasons.

Finishing third in points in 1950. Then did it again 19 years later in 1969. That's the equivalent to Crosby doing it in 2026. Or 2028 by age.

 

[Mrb1p]

I won't give Crosby credit for leading the league in PPG in 11-12. For one, it was only 22 games.

For two, Malkin had more points in that same 22 game stretch.

Howe finished top 5 in points 20 consecutive seasons.

Finishing third in points in 1950. Then did it again 19 years later in 1969. That's the equivalent to Crosby doing it in 2026. Or 2028 by age.

They had the exact same number of points.

Malkin doesnt have the added stress of injury to slow him down.

 

[Plural]

Crosby for me.

 

[Voight]

Noted Habs goalie Dominique Hasèque.

And Habs goalies make up 75% of the top 10 of all-time, sorry.

Thats entirely debatable.

 

[FrankSidebottom]

Jagr, then Crosby & Ovechkin interchangeably, then Lidstrom, then Malkin, then whoever else.

 

[Mrb1p]

Thats entirely debatable.

There is no top 10 that doesnt have Roy, Durnan, Plante and Dryden. Ill give you Price, you can debate it all you want.

 

[Say Hey Kid]

There is no top 10 that doesnt have Roy, Durnan, Plante and Dryden. Ill give you Price, you can debate it all you want.

1	Patrick Roy	6'1"	210	1965		1985-2003	Canada
2	Dominik Hašek	6'1"	165	1965		1980-2011	Czech
3	Jacques Plante	6'0"	175	1929	1986	1952-1975	Canada
4	Glenn Hall	5'11"	190	1931		1951-1971	Canada
5	Terry Sawchuk	5'11"	190	1929	1970	1949-1970	Canada
6	Martin Brodeur	6'2"	216	1972		1991-2015	Canada
7	Ken Dryden	6'4"	207	1947		1970-1979	Canada
8	Vladislav Tretiak	6'0"	200	1952		1968-1984	Russia
9	Frank Brimsek	5'9"	170	1913	1998	1938-1950	USA
10	Georges Vézina	5'6"	185	1887	1926	1910-1925	Canada

HOH Top 40 Goaltenders of All Time

This is the final list of the top goaltenders from all of hockey history, as determined by the History of Hockey community at HFBoards: RankPlayerHeightWeightBornDiedCareerNationality 1Patrick Roy6'1"2101965 1985-2003Canada 2Dominik Hašek6'1"1651965 1980-2011Czech 3Jacques...

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[Voight]

There is no top 10 that doesnt have Roy, Durnan, Plante and Dryden. Ill give you Price, you can debate it all you want.

I dont think many unbiased top 10 lists have Durnan on it.

 

[Mrb1p]

1	Patrick Roy	6'1"	210	1965		1985-2003	Canada
2	Dominik Hašek	6'1"	165	1965		1980-2011	Czech
3	Jacques Plante	6'0"	175	1929	1986	1952-1975	Canada
4	Glenn Hall	5'11"	190	1931		1951-1971	Canada
5	Terry Sawchuk	5'11"	190	1929	1970	1949-1970	Canada
6	Martin Brodeur	6'2"	216	1972		1991-2015	Canada
7	Ken Dryden	6'4"	207	1947		1970-1979	Canada
8	Vladislav Tretiak	6'0"	200	1952		1968-1984	Russia
9	Frank Brimsek	5'9"	170	1913	1998	1938-1950	USA
10	Georges Vézina	5'6"	185	1887	1926	1910-1925	Canada

HOH Top 40 Goaltenders of All Time

This is the final list of the top goaltenders from all of hockey history, as determined by the History of Hockey community at HFBoards: RankPlayerHeightWeightBornDiedCareerNationality 1Patrick Roy6'1"2101965 1985-2003Canada 2Dominik Hašek6'1"1651965 1980-2011Czech 3Jacques...

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Durnan not being in a top 10 that has Brimsek is.... questionable.

Durnan won 6 vezinas while playing head to head with Brimsek. Brimsek had none. He won 6 vezinas in 7 years.

Won the cup twice in 7, basically elevated a middling Habs team into a dynasty. When he left they went back to sucking.

There was roughly a 5 years period between Durnan and Plante and the Habs literally sucked.

Before Bill, the Habs hadnt won in over a decade in the POs. A lot of people argue hes actually the best Habs goaltender ever.

And Im not even getting on Vezina being there who played the same amount of years without the utter dominance. (Also a Habs goaltender )

I dont think many unbiased top 10 lists have Durnan on it.

Durnan could be argued as the best ever. Read up.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Durnan not being in a top 10 that has Brimsek is.... questionable.

Durnan won 6 vezinas while playing head to head with Brimsek. Brimsek had none. He won 6 vezinas in 7 years.

Won the cup twice in 7, basically elevated a middling Habs team into a dynasty. When he left they went back to sucking.

There was roughly a 5 years period between Durnan and Plante and the Habs literally sucked.

Before Bill, the Habs hadnt won in over a decade in the POs. A lot of people argue hes actually the best Habs goaltender ever.

And Im not even getting on Vezina being there who played the same amount of years without the utter dominance. (Also a Habs goaltender )

Durnan could be argued as the best ever. Read up.

Vezinas were team awards then.

 

[Mrb1p]

Vezinas were team awards then.

And somehow the team didnt win awards when he wasnt there, makes you think.

 

[The Tourist]

Jagr or Sid

 

[Voight]

Durnan not being in a top 10 that has Brimsek is.... questionable.

Durnan won 6 vezinas while playing head to head with Brimsek. Brimsek had none. He won 6 vezinas in 7 years.

Won the cup twice in 7, basically elevated a middling Habs team into a dynasty. When he left they went back to sucking.

There was roughly a 5 years period between Durnan and Plante and the Habs literally sucked.

Before Bill, the Habs hadnt won in over a decade in the POs. A lot of people argue hes actually the best Habs goaltender ever.

And Im not even getting on Vezina being there who played the same amount of years without the utter dominance. (Also a Habs goaltender )

Durnan could be argued as the best ever. Read up.

I am well aware of who Durnan is. He had a great, albeit short run at the top. Its worth noting he was helped by the league losing some of its better players to military service. Good run but he retired early so he doesn't have the longevity some other goalies have.

 

[Video Nasty]

Vezinas were team awards then.

100% correct. They were essentially what we call the Jennings now.

It’s worth noting that though he did lead the league in GAA six times, Wins four times, Shutouts two times, and led advanced stat categories like GPS six times, he also finished ahead of other goalies in Hart voting only twice in his seven seasons.

Now that’s not a hard and fast rule or even a good example of where he should rank. After all, we’ve seen plenty of modern examples where a position player doesn’t win their own trophy, yet finish higher in Hart voting (Josi versus Makar last season).

But it’s worth thinking about.

Durnan is not an easy one to figure out. He probably landed inside the top 10 until Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, etc came along to soak up spots.