canucks4ever
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- Mar 4, 2008
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So if that's the case the best thing to do is look at the original post and see where their places were in the scoring race. This is the best way to judge eras although their careers overlapped for a long time.
I picked Oates. Because in all honesty I would give Francis the edge if I had a gun to my head in the other thread vs. Selanne. Oates was better at his best than Francis for sure.
It's funny because Oates was so quietly one of the more underappreciated players of all time. You never saw him in commercials on TV. You barely saw him do an interview. He never won a Cup. He was snubbed from the Olympics/Canada Cups. His face just wasn't familiar to the casual fan and I think this hurts him, but it shouldn't really because if you isolate his on-ice play he was fabulously effective. I mean he turned Chris Simon into a 29 goal scorer. Neely, Hull and Bondra all owe it to him for their best years. Hull is an all-time great and we saw the proof of his numbers slipping once Oates left town.
Selanne's career is funny too. He was dominant from 1992-2000 for the most part. He scored 729 points (2nd most in that timeframe to Jaromir) and yet Oates wasn't far behind at 682 (4th). This excludes Oates' three elite seasons prior to this as well. Plus when Selanne had that collapse in his career (2000-2004) it was Oates who decided to lead the NHL in assists twice. Throw in his defense superiority to Selanne and his playoff superiority in that time frame and I figure Oates is the clear cut winner.
Now post lockout Selanne has redeemed himself. A couple of really good seasons and good playoffs, as well as a Cup and arguably the best forward on a Cup winning team. So that narrows the gap but career wise I still believe it to be Oates. Selanne was flashier and on the surface more dangerous looking on the ice. But the playmaking of Oates seemed to make his LINEMATES so dangerous looking while everyone forgot about him and how they got their goals in the first place.
The ironic thing is Selanne is a lock for the HHOF, and I agree. Oates should be but isn't in there yet. Something is fishy. Hart voting and goal scoring though is an avenue that Selanne does come out on top so it isn't as if I am trying to discredit him at all.
Well, he does have that lame commercial where the blonde chick says he's 'offsides'.
I am suprised though that he was never marketed, he has the looks to be a posterboy for the league.