SniperOnTheWing
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Exactly.That honestly looks like a pretty solid template for TOI distribution. It's hard to make something like that work without shorting one of your best talents' ice-time.
In a game where we kill a lot of penalties someone's gonna get shorted ice-time and I think that'd be the best time to have a plan B where you can reunite Nylander with Matthews to make up for lost-time. In Pittsburgh, Malkin/Kessel receives a ton of ES TOI in games where they kill a lot of penalties, because Crosby gets loaded with a bunch of PK time.
Shouldn’t need a shutdown line if you have the equivalent of 3 1st/2nd lines.Need some semblance of a shut down line. The good news is that they have one. Hyman-Kadri-Kapanen would work, sub in Brown in case of injury.
The issue with Willy on the third line is ice time distribution. Paying him 7 million and then putting him in a situation where we get 6 million value is not smart usage. However, I don't think that's unavoidable. For arguments sake, say that we average about 50 minutes even strength time per game. Such a distribution might look:
15 - 16 - 15 (Kadri-Matthews-Kapanen)
13 - 16 - 16 (Hyman-Tavares-Marner)
13 - 15 - 13 (Johnsson-Nylander-Moore)
6 - 6 - 6 (Ennis-Marleau-Brown)
Might look odd at first glance, but this is based on the idea that we load up in consecutive shifts after penalties, and in general just make sure to have our better players our there more while rotating the complementary players. If we play Nylander on the first unit, like we should, and use that unit accordingly, he could average 18 minutes per game running his own line and contributing on a top PP unit. Matthews and Tavares would be a bit north of this at 19, Marner touching 20, and most of the surrounding talent around 15.
Edit: I know I have Kadri in that lineup. That's because I'm mostly just addressing how what kind of usage could get good value from Nylander on the third line.
@IPS, remember our discussions on this topic? Now with larger contracts that need to bring the proper value, I'm with you on this.
With a team that looks like a lock to make the playoffs for a long time, the individual performance in the playoffs between Kadri and Nylander will go a long way to determining which one is moved.
Willy likely yields more on the trade market and provides the greatest cap relief for the leafs. If he is ineffective this year in the playoffs, teams looking to make the playoffs won't care but the leafs will if Kadri performs well.
True but the leafs will be under pressure to bolster the team in the short run for a legitimate run. Nylander represents 2.5MM more in cap relief and he might garner more for a dman.I have a hard time seeing an asset management guy like Dubas trading the 22 year old asset that’s signed for longer.
Kadri’s age likely makes him the asset that’s moved if the Leafs opt to go the “hockey trade” route. Kadri will be 30 when he needs a new contract and I can’t see the Leafs wanting to lock him up at 6.5-7.5 mil (or more given cap inflation) long term at that point
True but the leafs will be under pressure to bolster the team in the short run for a legitimate run. Nylander represents 2.5MM more in cap relief and he might garner more for a dman.
If he fails to produce in a playoff atmosphere, the leafs will be under pressure to make a move.
That's not true. Your decline mantra is baseless.Nylander represents upside.
Kadri represents decline.
Choice is pretty easy.
That's not true. Your decline mantra is baseless.
You've been pushing that all season, there were no "facts". Old man Kadri lol.Sorry... I just used actual facts to form my opinion.
I wasn’t going on emotion.
My bad.
You've been pushing that all season, there were no "facts". Old man Kadri lol.
Need some semblance of a shut down line. The good news is that they have one. Hyman-Kadri-Kapanen would work, sub in Brown in case of injury.
Nylander represents upside.
Kadri represents decline.
Choice is pretty easy.
Nylander represents a player that has not lived up to his cap hit
Kadri arguably has one of the best cap hits in the NHL as it relates to value and what he brings.
Kadri plays a much more effective overall game than Nylander, and Nylander has not scored 30 goals whereas Kadri has done it twice. Facts.
Historical facts are interesting.
Where are they on the age related performance curve?
Not sure what this curve is you speak of, but keeping to facts, Kadri is signed for 3 years at 4.5 and is 28. Without question, earns his way and is great value. Nylander is 22 and has 5 more years at just under 7 per year and has not come close to playing to his contract and is inferior to Kadri as it relates to an overall game. Until Nylander plays as effectively as Kadri and contributes to that level, he is overpaid and living off potential and has not proven the ability to live up to the expectations set.
William Nylander
CF/60: 71.75(1st)
CA/60: 57.48(5th)
CF%: 55.52(1st)
SCF/60: 35.81(3rd)
SCA/60: 27.75(7th)
HDCF/60: 12.95(5th)
HDCA/60: 11.63(14th)
Kadri is not the player he was for 2 seasons. Dubas should trade him and replace him with the 22 year old Nylander. It's the smart thing to do.
I love Kadri but he is regressing.
Kadri is a steal at 4.5M and tbh that number is reasonable for a 3C. I think leaving Willy at C, and as a result him not getting the full ice time he deserves, doesn’t optimize this lineup to its fullestWilliam Nylander
CF/60: 71.75(1st)
CA/60: 57.48(5th)
CF%: 55.52(1st)
SCF/60: 35.81(3rd)
SCA/60: 27.75(7th)
HDCF/60: 12.95(5th)
HDCA/60: 11.63(14th)
Kadri is not the player he was for 2 seasons. Dubas should trade him and replace him with the 22 year old Nylander. It's the smart thing to do.
I love Kadri but he is regressing.
Thats alright.Kadri is a steal at 4.5M and tbh that number is reasonable for a 3C. I think leaving Willy at C, and as a result him not getting the full ice time he deserves, doesn’t optimize this lineup to its fullest