Notification - 2014/15 Rating Challenge Submissions

[Brock]

Here's a reminder on how the system works. One Ratings Challenge marker will serve as the person you will send your challenges into. He will then rebuttal your challenge. Both your challenge and his rebuttal will then be sent to the Final judge who will look at the evidence from both sides and make a ruling based on this, with the process working more like an actual court room judgment. We've developed this process in order to make the ratings challenge ruling slightly more consistent and more democratic. This year we have three Ratings Challenge markers and one Final judge that will rule on every challenge except his own.

So here are your instructions:

Each team is going to get a maximum of 6 ratings challenges on a maximum of 5 players. OV can not be challenged. Goalie challenges will not be on the ranking that the skill ratings (SK, AG, RB, SC, HS, RT and PH) are based on. Instead of making a challenge on the OV rating, the challenge should be made on the position in the ranking (Ville will post the goaltender ratings order for reference). The other 6 goaltender ratings (DU, EN, SZ, PS, EX and LD) can be challenged like normal skater ratings.

Please make sure your ratings challenges are well researched and worthwhile. A successful ratings challenge is likely to be built around stats or scouting reports.

Your ratings challenge submission format should appear as follows"

Email Title: "HFNHL Ratings Challenge - Team Name"

1. Player Name
2. Rating being challenged
3. Current Rating
4. Suggested Rating
5. Reasoning or Argument for challenge (aka your proof)

The submission deadline for these challenges is going to be Sunday, October 19th at 11:59pm EST.

Please see the below list to figure out who you will be sending your challenges to.

Would the following teams Group A send their ratings challenges to Jeff Kirk at [email protected]:

Anaheim Ducks
Chicago Blackhawks
Colorado Avalanche
Columbus Blue Jackets
Detroit Red Wings
Los Angeles Kings
Nashville Predators
Pittsburgh Penguins
San Jose Sharks
St. Louis Blues

Would the following teams Group B send their ratings challenges to Tony Kapfenberger at [email protected]:

Calgary Flames
Carolina Hurricanes
Dallas Stars
Edmonton Oilers
Minnesota Wild
Philadelphia Flyers
Arizona Coyotes
Tampa Bay Lightning
Vancouver Canucks
Washington Capitals

Would the following teams Group C send their ratings challenges to Ville Isopaa at [email protected]:

Boston Bruins
Buffalo Sabres
Florida Panthers
Montreal Canadiens
New Jersey Devils
New York Islanders
New York Rangers
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Maple Leafs
Winnipeg Jets

Once again, Brock will be the Final judge for all teams except his own, which Jeff will take care of.

Once challenges are completed and final judgements are made we will begin our pre-season within a few days afterwards.

Any questions, feel free to post them in this thread.

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[Ville Isopaa]

The goalie ranking is based on the following stats: SV%, GAA, SO, Vezina votes, Wins and Minutes played. The stats used are from the 2013-14 and 2012-13 seasons with 70-30 weight on the seasons.

The goalies have been ranked in each of the stats above for an average ranking. Team defense has also been taken in to account, using total shots against for the teams the goalies played on.

Every position in the ranking equals an average 0,5 points in the skill ratings.

Rank Player
1 Tuukka Rask
2 Sergei Bobrovsky
3 Henrik Lundqvist
4 Ben Bishop
5 Carey Price
6 Antti Niemi
7 Semyon Varlamov
8 Kari Lehtonen
9 Jonathan Quick
10 Marc-Andre Fleury
11 Corey Crawford
12 Jaroslav Halak
13 Steve Mason
14 Cory Schneider
15 Craig Anderson
16 Jonas Hiller
17 Mike Smith
18 Jimmy Howard
19 Cam Talbot
20 Roberto Luongo
21 Braden Holtby
22 Brian Elliott
23 Martin Jones
24 Josh Harding
25 Anton Khudobin
26 Jonathan Bernier
27 Eddie Lack
28 Ben Scrivens
29 Ryan Miller
30 Chad Johnson
31 Evgeni Nabokov
32 Alex Stalock
33 Al Montoya
34 Martin Brodeur
34 Karri Ramo
36 Ilya Bryzgalov
37 James Reimer
38 Thomas Greiss
39 Ray Emery
40 Frederik Andersen
41 Pekka Rinne
42 Ondrej Pavelec
43 Petr Mrazek
44 Curtis McElhinney
45 Darcy Kuemper
46 Jeff Zatkoff
47 Robin Lehner
48 Carter Hutton
49 Devan Dubnyk
50 Peter Budaj
51 Viktor Fasth
52 Justin Peters
53 Niklas Backstrom
54 Tim Thomas
54 Antti Raanta
56 Marek Mazanec
57 Jhonas Enroth
58 Tomas Vokoun
59 Philipp Grubauer
60 Anders Lindback
61 Jonas Gustavsson
62 Michal Neuvirth
63 Dan Ellis
64 Cam Ward
65 Reto Berra
66 Joni Ortio
67 Kevin Poulin
68 Nikolai Khabibulin
69 Joey MacDonald
70 Jason LaBarbera
71 Scott Clemmensen
72 Jacob Markstrom
73 Richard Bachman
74 Matt Hackett
75 Dustin Tokarski
76 John Gibson
77 Jake Allen
78 Nathan Lieuwen
79 Michael Hutchinson
80 Mike McKenna
81 Niklas Svedberg
82 Kristers Gudlevskis
83 John Curry
84 Yann Danis
85 Drew MacIntyre
86 Connor Knapp
87 Calvin Heeter
88 Andrew Hammond
88 Mark Visentin
90 Sami Aittokallio
91 Jack Campbell
92 Nathan Lawson
93 Cedrick Desjardins
94 Joacim Eriksson
95 Magnus Hellberg
96 Kent Simpson
97 Michael Leighton
98 Jussi Rynnas
99 Keith Kinkaid

 

[HFNHLOilers]

God what a great trade i made when i brought in Bobrovsky for and aging Kipper. Now Dallas is set in net for many years

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

God what a great trade i made when i brought in Bobrovsky for and aging Kipper. Now Dallas is set in net for many years

for the life of me, I don't know how you haven't won GM of the Year yet.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

Instead of making a challenge on the OV rating, the challenge should be made on the position in the ranking

so if I understand this right, we are simply trying to argue why our guy is better than a higher ranked guy in an effort to move him up that list?

so as an example, if I feel Martin Jones (#23) is better than the Cam Talbot (#19), I can write up an essay why my guy is better and he may get moved up a spot or two?

just not sure how this system is supposed to work.

 

[HFNHLOilers]

for the life of me, I don't know how you haven't won GM of the Year yet.

People just think lundqvist does it all so ill probably never win till he retires lol

But in all seriousness there are many good GMs to pick from so its a tough choice

 

[Ville Isopaa]

so if I understand this right, we are simply trying to argue why our guy is better than a higher ranked guy in an effort to move him up that list?

so as an example, if I feel Martin Jones (#23) is better than the Cam Talbot (#19), I can write up an essay why my guy is better and he may get moved up a spot or two?

just not sure how this system is supposed to work.

Same as before, but the challenge isn't on OV (all ratings). The challenge can be made as one challenge on the skill ratings (SK, AG, RB, SC, HS, RT and PH), or individually on the DU, EN, SZ, PS, EX and LD ratings. The skill ratings are based on the ranking, which is based on stats. If you think your goalie should be rated higher than another goalie, show why. "I think my guy is better than the other guy" is an opinoin, not an argument.

 

[Fooladelfia]

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[Brent Burns Beard]

Same as before, but the challenge isn't on OV (all ratings). The challenge can be made as one challenge on the skill ratings (SK, AG, RB, SC, HS, RT and PH), or individually on the DU, EN, SZ, PS, EX and LD ratings. The skill ratings are based on the ranking, which is based on stats. If you think your goalie should be rated higher than another goalie, show why. "I think my guy is better than the other guy" is an opinoin, not an argument.

I still have no idea what this means ...

 

[Vagrant]

I still have no idea what this means ...

From my understanding, it means you can only challenge one skill at a time per player. I think there's a limit on how many challenges you can offer on one player as well.

In your example, if you feel Martin Jones is a better puck handler than some guys ranked above him.... perhaps you'd bring up the statistic of assists and say that your player has made some smart decisions moving the puck. If you think he's more durable perhaps find a stretch where he started four consecutive games and played well in them? Stuff like that. They want tangible stats that prove your point rather than just using the eye test.

 

[Hossa]

From my understanding, it means you can only challenge one skill at a time per player. I think there's a limit on how many challenges you can offer on one player as well.

In your example, if you feel Martin Jones is a better puck handler than some guys ranked above him.... perhaps you'd bring up the statistic of assists and say that your player has made some smart decisions moving the puck. If you think he's more durable perhaps find a stretch where he started four consecutive games and played well in them? Stuff like that. They want tangible stats that prove your point rather than just using the eye test.

This is always the key. There are various types of sources and information at a GM's disposal, but challenges depend on collecting evidence to advance the argument.

 

[Ville Isopaa]

From my understanding, it means you can only challenge one skill at a time per player. I think there's a limit on how many challenges you can offer on one player as well.

The other way around. You can challenge the skill ratings (SK, AG, RB, SC, HS, RT and PH) as one rating challenge based on the ranking of the

If you challenge the ranking, you challenge all the skill ratings combined in one challenge.

 

[HFNHLOilers]

Wait were actually arguing individual stats on goalies this year?? Geeze thats tough how do u prove that

 

[PasiK]

Can anyone help with those Corsi stats in the behind the net page, what we should check. If we want to challenge DF rating. SH TOI/g should not be only one stat and +/- does not tell anything alone.

Also is there a good stats for Goalies?

 

[Fan.At]

So far I have
-Edmonton
-Vancouver

 

[Ville Isopaa]

So far I have:
- Florida
- New Jersey
- New York Islanders
- New York Rangers

 

[Ohio Jones]

Columbus will live and die with our existing ratings. God help us.

 

[Dryden]

Same

 

[Fooladelfia]

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[Canuck09]

I've received challenges from the following:

Nashville Predators
SJ Sharks
St Louis Blues
Colorado Avalanche
LA Kings

 

[HFNHLOilers]

wings submitted just now let me know if you get them jeff

 

[Fan.At]

So far I have
-Edmonton
-Vancouver

I only got Philadelphia in addition to Edmonton and Vancouver.

Only 3 of 10?

 

[Ville Isopaa]

So far I have:
- Florida
- New Jersey
- New York Islanders
- New York Rangers

- Toronto
- Montreal

 

[Circulartheory]

I'm happy with all my ratings

 

[Vaive-Alive]

Boston is living w the existing ratings