Post-Game Talk: Not good enough.

[booyakasha]

We got a week off between series. Blaming fatigue is laughable. Ever seen triple Ot games? How’s Dallas look after going to game 7 in a war with the champs? It’s a joke anyone has even brought that up.

 

[Old Boys Club]

McDrai era was marred by complete mismanagement from Chiarelli and Holland.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Help me believe. What does that look like?

Drafting. Developing. Not signing boat anchor free agent deals.

Something we aren’t very good at and haven’t been for several decades now.

 

[Oilhawks]

I just became even more envious of the Stars. Not only did they get Johnston and Stankoven from their 1st and 2nd picks in the 2021 draft, they traded down to do so. Holland trades down to select Bourgault. Nill trades the Cossa pick for a 1st and 2nd and selects Johnston and Stankoven. Essentially set up his team for the next decade plus in 2 drafts, 2017 and 2021.

Hey, when they roflstomp the Cucks we can enjoy vicariously, like “wow we almost drafted those guys it’s almost like they’re Oilers!”

 

[McAsuno]

A hiring search for directors of pro and amateur scouting would have been nice. Instead of bringing on two FAILED scouting directors from Detroit.

Wright’s top picks include: Dylan Holloway, 14th overall, 2020; Carter Savoie, 100th, 2020; Tyler Tullio, 126th, 2020; Maxim Berezkin, 138th, 2020; Xavier Bourgault, 22nd, 2021; Luca Munzenberger, 90th, 2021; Matvey Petrov, 180th, 2021; Maximus Wanner, 212th, 2021; Reid Schaefer, 32nd, 2022; Nikita Yeseyev, 190th, 2022; Beau Akey, 56th, 2023.

Outside of Holloway, not one single f***ing prospect has panned out. f*** Tyler Wright just as much as Holland. The Bourgault pick to this day is still by far the absolute dumbest.

 

[Old Boys Club]

We got a week off between series. Blaming fatigue is laughable. Ever seen triple Ot games? How’s Dallas look after going to game 7 in a war with the champs? It’s a joke anyone has even brought that up.

Not to mention there are double or triple OT games every year.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The Oilers didn't have the puck for two periods. Very little o-zone time. Their zone exits were limited to flip the puck out or hammer it around the boards. There was no flow. Line 4 was the most effective line after the first period creating a goal and support PK. Nothing happened after 1. All began in the face-off circle where they were always chasing after losing them.

They weren't limited, we weren't making plays. the space was there to do that among top skilled players on the planet.

Remember Coffey message when he took over?

"We need D making plays, and D that feel they can't make break out plays let us know and we'll find others that can"

Everything tonight was panic/botched. We were flipping pucks out, we were banging pucks on boards, we weren't making any good breakouts and not even on 4 on 4 where are personnel should be magic. Our top 5 unit was making it easy all game just recovering long pucks we dumped out. We were wasting whole shifts, all game, of the best 5 man unit on Earth. How there wasn't a timeout to review "wtf are you guys doing" or address it in room is anybodies guess.

We're not playing Dallas, a serious shutdown team we're play the Cucks who are often reliant on goaltendign alone to save bacon. We were playing like we couldn't make a play.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

There is just as good a chance that they fall back like crazy next season

Does anyone care about advanced stats here? I doubt they PDO their way to playoff success two seasons in a row, but I suppose it's possible.

Maybe. But their core skill is younger, they have quality goaltending depth, stronger prospect pool. Depends what they do with Lindholm and their D. But they have a GM that quickly built up around a soft skill core and a coach that quickly built a non-playoff team to a division championship.

I've heard you yell PDO from about game 8. They've sustained their winning and now have a boot on the Oilers throat with a #3 organizational goaltender. Lots to build on. Never any certainty but lots of pieces.

 

[TheNumber4]

Why is no one talking about the decision not to challenge for offside? And before you tell me I'm wrong take a look at the replay.



Draisaitl plays the puck, it hits the boards, hits the linesman's skate and then enters the zone. The rule states that a puck that deflects back into the defending zone off an official who is in the neutral zone will be off-side.

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Good catch. That puck did hit the linesman skate. But does it matter if it comes off Drais stick or a Canuck? Maybe that’s why?

I’d want to relook at that play for a missed room many men too. The Nuck that went off the ice definately affected the play.

 

[Cloned]

Help me believe. What does that look like?

Not Holland.

 

[Oilhawks]

Wright’s top picks include: Dylan Holloway, 14th overall, 2020; Carter Savoie, 100th, 2020; Tyler Tullio, 126th, 2020; Maxim Berezkin, 138th, 2020; Xavier Bourgault, 22nd, 2021; Luca Munzenberger, 90th, 2021; Matvey Petrov, 180th, 2021; Maximus Wanner, 212th, 2021; Reid Schaefer, 32nd, 2022; Nikita Yeseyev, 190th, 2022; Beau Akey, 56th, 2023.

Outside of Holloway, not one single f***ing prospect has panned out. f*** Tyler Wright just as much as Holland. The Bourgault pick to this day is still by far the absolute dumbest.

Akey could be a player but wasn’t the word that Staios was the one that suggested him?

 

[McAsuno]

They weren't limited, we weren't making plays. the space was there to do that among top skilled players on the planet.

Remember Coffey message when he took over?

"We need D making plays, and D that feel they can't make break out plays let us know and we'll find others that can"

Everything tonight was panic/botched. We were flipping pucks out, we were banging pucks on boards, we weren't making any good breakouts and not even on 4 on 4 where are personnel should be magic. Our top 5 unit was making it easy all game just recovering long pucks we dumped out. We were wasting whole shifts, all game, of the best 5 man unit on Earth. How there wasn't a timeout to review "wtf are you guys doing" or address it in room is anybodies guess.

We're not playing Dallas, a serious shutdown team we're play the Cucks who are often reliant on goaltendign alone to save bacon. We were playing like we couldn't make a play.

Has Knob even remotely used his timeouts at all? Literally have no idea how his coaching works.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Hey, when they roflstomp the Cucks we can enjoy vicariously, like “wow we almost drafted those guys it’s almost like they’re Oilers!”

Oh how could I also forget, the stars have Matej Blumel, whom the Oilers drafted and Holland failed to sign, on their AHL affiliate putting up a ppg reg. season and has a ppg. in the calder cup playoffs.

 

[McAsuno]

Akey could be a player but wasn’t the word that Staios was the one that suggested him?

No clue. Even so, Akey is years away from playing in the NHL assuming he even pans out. I know for a fact that Coffey and Staios advocated back then that the Oilers should draft Wyatt Johnston but Tyler Wright and Holland decided to ignore both of them to trade down from Wallstedt and acquire Bustgault instead. Dumb f*** #1 and Dumb f*** #2.

 

[Oilhawks]

Has Knob even remotely used his timeouts at all? Literally have no idea how his coaching works.

Always a few steps forward and a few back with each coach. His McLellan like (non) usage of timeouts is frustrating as f***

 

[TheNumber4]

Wright’s top picks include: Dylan Holloway, 14th overall, 2020; Carter Savoie, 100th, 2020; Tyler Tullio, 126th, 2020; Maxim Berezkin, 138th, 2020; Xavier Bourgault, 22nd, 2021; Luca Munzenberger, 90th, 2021; Matvey Petrov, 180th, 2021; Maximus Wanner, 212th, 2021; Reid Schaefer, 32nd, 2022; Nikita Yeseyev, 190th, 2022; Beau Akey, 56th, 2023.

Outside of Holloway, not one single f***ing prospect has panned out. f*** Tyler Wright just as much as Holland. The Bourgault pick to this day is still by far the absolute dumbest.

Yeh f*** Tyler Wright. Failed his way to a job in Detroit by way of Columbus. Then failed his way to A job Edmonton by way of Detroit. Absolutely inexcusable that Holland brought this moron with him. AND he was an emergency hire in Detroit too after Hollands GOOD pro scout left him to join Dallas. That’s like a double whammy on Holland, not only did he have to hire the shitty Wright, but he also lost to the Stars a legit good scouting director. And look at the Stars now.

 

[Cloned]

The Oilers didn't have the puck for two periods. Very little o-zone time. Their zone exits were limited to flip the puck out or hammer it around the boards. There was no flow. Line 4 was the most effective line after the first period creating a goal and support PK. Nothing happened after 1. All began in the face-off circle where they were always chasing after losing them.

Face offs are only one part of the game.

They played like they were afraid of their own shadows. Never seen them so timid before. Even in the Colorado series when the Avs were up 3-0 they didn’t play like this.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Jeff Jackson needs to completely gut this organization's drafting and development system. It's so long overdue, like should've happened 3 decades ago.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

They weren't limited, we weren't making plays. the space was there to do that among top skilled players on the planet.

Remember Coffey message when he took over?

"We need D making plays, and D that feel they can't make break out plays let us know and we'll find others that can"

Everything tonight was panic/botched. We were flipping pucks out, we were banging pucks on boards, we weren't making any good breakouts and not even on 4 on 4 where are personnel should be magic. Our top 5 unit was making it easy all game just recovering long pucks we dumped out. We were wasting whole shifts, all game, of the best 5 man unit on Earth. How there wasn't a timeout to review "wtf are you guys doing" or address it in room is anybodies guess.

We're not playing Dallas, a serious shutdown team we're play the Cucks who are often reliant on goaltendign alone to save bacon. We were playing like we couldn't make a play.

They were pushed back for two periods. There was very little coordinated zone exit work. Coffey had the message and the Oilers have largely played a high offensive attack game where they keep the puck away from their suspect goaltending. Pickard saved their bacon from a worse loss and Desharnais helped too with a goal line save. Line 1 was awful not much more to say. Power Play their critical 5 man unit was also awful. Line 4 was maybe their best line. Hard to win with that.

 

[McAsuno]

Yeh f*** Tyler Wright. Failed his way to a job in Detroit by way of Columbus. Then failed his way to A job Edmonton by way of Detroit. Absolutely inexcusable that Holland brought this moron with him. AND he was an emergency hire in Detroit too after Hollands GOOD pro scout left him to join Dallas. That’s like a double whammy on Holland, not only did he have to hire the shitty Wright, but he also lost to the Stars a legit good scouting director. And look at the Stars now.

He was hot garbage at drafting in Detroit too. But hey, gotta hire muh friendsssss despite knowing their track record is garbage.

 

[foshizzle]

I don't even disagree on most of your points -- except Bouchard will have these stupid efforts more than most elite D. From the offensive zone in, he's pretty amazing at times but it's this kind of lackadaisical BS and wobbly defending that will never be erased from his game. But of course, now they (whatever clown the OBC decides to sweep into the GM's seat) will pay him like a no. 1 D and further hamstring their shitty cap management.

We'll agree to disagree on that. I don't see this lineup going past Vancouver because, quite frankly, Vancouver is playing like they want it more. Not like the pretenders in our room.

this is actually demonstratively false. His xGAR is 88%. A stat that rates him against same position, same role comparatives (QoC, top 2 dman). That puts him in the upper echelon of defence men. He is near the top in zone denials and succcessful zone exits. What you say doesn’t actually align with what his numbers say. He has also been amazing all through the playoffs. He made a bad play- but that doesn’t overshadow how ridiculously good he has been. It was a mistake- that’s it.

Say what now?

That’s the rumour

 

[Broberg Speed]

every year you stop caring a little more

you can only get conned for so long

 

[Oilhawks]

Maybe. But their core skill is younger, they have quality goaltending depth, stronger prospect pool. Depends what they do with Lindholm and their D. But they have a GM that quickly built up around a soft skill core and a coach that quickly built a non-playoff team to a division championship.

I've heard you yell PDO from about game 8. They've sustained their winning and now have a boot on the Oilers throat with a #3 organizational goaltender. Lots to build on. Never any certainty but lots of pieces.

They don’t have to cap to bring back all those players from what I recall.

What players in the minors are notable? I’m seriously wondering. I’m sure it’s better than the Oilers prospect depth but that’s saying literally nothing

They’ve had ridiculous shooting percentages, PDO etc all season. Do you really think they haven’t had horseshoes all season and in these playoffs? They struggled with the worst team to make the west, needing an absolutely ridiculous comeback with the Preds shitting all over themselves just to not go down in that series, and tonight was by far(!!!) their most shots in a game. How does anything they’ve done scream sustainable success? These are the 2022 Flames 2.0 (different teams but the same unsustainable success)

This is the only game they’ve won this series that wasn’t on absolutely fluke bounces in which they weren’t outplayed

They were also outplayed by the Preds most of that season

In what world do great teams get outplayed almost every game they win in the playoffs?

 

[McAsuno]

Always a few steps forward and a few back with each coach. His McLellan like (non) usage of timeouts is frustrating as f***

Him not taking a timeout when the nucks were starting to come back from a 3 goal deficit in G1 was the start of my dislike for him. I'm not saying a timeout would've changed the outcome in tonight's loss, but at least it shows that he's engaging.

If the message from him after the 2nd period in the room didn't pan out, then you use your timeout in the 3rd to try again. Not just stand there and continue to watch your team play like the most passive sons of bitches out there.

 

[TheNumber4]

Akey could be a player but wasn’t the word that Staios was the one that suggested him?

Yes. Staois also suggested AGAINST getting Chychrun which probably ultimately lead to us getting Ekholm instead.

It’s quite possible the only reason Holland made his best move ever is cause the rockstar up and coming GM saw something he didn’t. And now that up and coming GM is in Ottawa.