Nikolai Zherdev or Bobby Ryan?

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  1. Kashmir

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    Offensively speaking...

    I thought that Zherdev was the better offensive player, but I can't get Ryan's name out of my head. I keep reading really good stuff about Bobby Ryan.

    So, who will have the better offensive carrer?
     
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    Tough call. Zherdev doesnt seem to be really motivated, whereas Ryan is. If Zherdev would show a little more competitiveness then it would be real close, but in the long term I think that Bobby Ryan may turn out to be the better player. He is absolutely lights out this year in the "O".
     
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    Dedication was the first thing I thought of. Zherdev seems to be happy with playing the game the way he thinks it should be played whereas Bobby Ryan from all accounts has continually worked to get better.

    Unless Zherdev can get his head out of his a$$, i would imagine seeing Ryan put up larger numbers when he arrives. Zherdev has the tools to capitalize on a team with Nash, Brule, Fritsche and others in the future, but you can't get numbers with them if you're playing in Syracuse and their playing in Columbus.
    It's hard to compare though. It's apples and oranges as far as how these two play the game. Ryan can put the puck in the net and deliver a solid hit. Zherdev is more of a perimiter player with a great skill set. Don't expect much back-checking from him.
     
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    I know that they don't play the same way. I drafted Zherdev in my fantasy league and I was expected more than he gives right now... I heard that he's having some
    personal problems. Granted that Zherdev is on a team with Nash, Brulé, Fritsche, Picard and other very good players. But do you think, points wise, that Zherdev will have a better career than Ryan?
     
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    I've liked bobby ryans play for a while now... since first hearing about him.

    it all depends on the style needed on a team...

    horton vs. staal
    ryan vs. zherdev

    its not a matter of who's better, but rather who's needed more and on what team.
     
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    it's hard to say right now given that Ryan hasn't stepped onto an NHL ice surface yet.

    If Zherdev gets himself out of his slump and past whatever personal problems he has he COULD be a 70-80 pt player. If he continues this play he won't be a first line player and will score 40-50 pts. Similar to Viktor Kozlov in that his talent never matched his productive output.

    Ryan looks like he could be 50 goal scorer with a good amount of assists to add to it. So, we're talking 80-90 points. Like many power fowards he might take time to adjust to the league whereas Zherdev has shown signs that he can produce well at this level.

    All in all I'm going to go with Bobby Ryan. More determination to fight through the bad spells.
     
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    Zherdev could be a 100 pt player, he has that much offensive talent. The one thing you cant deny about Zherdev is how potentially good he could be.
     
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    Interesting comparison. Similarly skilled players that approach the game in differant ways. Zherdev is a much better skater and a bit flashier while Ryan is substantially bigger and seemingly more driven. I'll give the edge to Ryan with the acknowledgement that Zherdev is very capable of being the superior player (production wise).
     
  9. zherdev has more offensive potential, but I think Ryan will be a very good offensive player and bring alot of other things too the table.
     
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    I only saw Bobby Ryan play in 2 games so i may be way off but in each of those he reminded me of a younger John Leclair.

    Is that a fair comparaison ?
     
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    I guess Zherdev as I really, really don't like Ryan.
     
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    The skill set on Zherdev is sick. He'd be the most "skilled" out of the whole draft class of 2003 - and that is saying something. If you watch him, you can instantly see his vision and soft hands stick out. Right now he's playing on a terrible team as well as struggling with personal problems. Give him time to come around. He lit up the Russian Elite League last year.

    As far as Ryan, he's another player with unreal skill and vision, although I'd have to give Zherdev the edge. Zherdev also has the edge on skating. But with Ryan's size and work ethic, he's going to be a force in the NHL. He'll take more time to get his skating up to par, but he should be a beauty as well.

    Overall, I'd give the edge to Zherdev, although Ryan really isn't that far behind.
     
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    Wow. That is a good one. I've never thought of that comparison before. Cam Neely's name comes up when comparing Ryan but that might be a fairer one. Ryan doesn't fight like Neely did. Although Ryan is a much better set up man that LeClair. He'll be more of an assist man than a goal scorer.
     
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    Zherdev will have multiple hundred point seasons when his career is done. He could have the most talent in the league.
     
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    simply put zherdev doesn't have the most talent in the league....

    He's not even the most talented russian, and not even close.

    Ovechkin dookies all over him.
     
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    Zherdev isn't the most talented Russian? Really?

    Maybe that's because he's not Russian.
     
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    Ryan reminds me of Jason Allison. When I saw him play live, he was unreal. While Ryan is slow, he slows the game down to his level and uses his elite puckhandling, size, and vision to create chances. He is a force.
     
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