The Messenger said:
Did I miss an article that said if the NHLPA took the $42.5 mil Final offer that all 30 teams promised to pay the full $42.5 cap amount in player Salaries .
Um, are you following the same thread? If you read my post above, I am correcting another poster's math (for which he thanked me). It allows for the comparison of one top cap number to another.
Secondly, i hope you are not rolling out the thoroughly discredited argument that teams would never spend to the cap. Once more with feeling: prior to these negotiations, NHL salaries were heading in one way and one way only - up, up and away. More teams were spending at higher numbers.
So lets say we take the average of your 9-11 mil dif and make it $10 mil ave ..
So Lets say Toronto and Detroit pay every cent and Pittsburgh ices last years team at $20 mil total .. Toronto and Detroit just gained the PA $10 mil + $10 mil for $20 mil over the current deal .. Then Pittsburgh ($42.5 - $20 mil team Salary). Loss of <$22.5 mil > for the PA total .. Everything gained by 2 teams spending was nulified by 1 team spending as before and not reaching $42.5 mil.
Repeat Colorado and Phillly at $42.5 mil cap .. Florida at $ 21 mil
Repeat NYR and Dallas at $ 42.5 mil cap ....Nashville at $22 mil ..
Now, Massager, before I went to law school I toyed with the idea of being a math major while an undergrad, so I know my way around numbers. That said, I must be missing your point, because you are aimlessly stringing figures together. Can you please enlighten me? Are you doing the Feb deal vs. now deal comparison again? What are you talking about?
So what good is this for the PA ??
Or in case you don't follow that logic .. Detroit at 42.5 , Toronto at 42.5 , Pittsburgh at $20 mil = ( $42.5 + $42.5 + 20.0 ) = 105 mil / 3 teams =
$35 mil ave per team CEILING..
That sounds like the same thing as the Globe and Mail report??
Or Do it for all the teams I did
DET,NYR,DAL,COL,TOR, PHIL, all at $42.5 &
Pitts $20,
Florida $21,
Nashville $22. = ($42.5 X 6 + $20 + $21+ $22 ) = $318 mil total / 9 teams =
$ 35.3 ave per team CEILING..
That sounds like the same thing as the Globe and Mail report??
Again ...
Now that all the Big 6 markets are already include .. where do we believe Anaheim, Columbus, Atlanta, Phoenix, Edmonton, Calgary, Washington, Chicago, Carolina would end up with no HARD CAP FLOOR ?? I am willing to bet it no where near the 42.5 mil Cap ceiling ..
Well, here your point seems to be emerging frlom the murk. A bunch of teams won't spend near the cap. Well, whether they do or do not, my original point regarding what the caps were by comparison holds true: $31.5/33.5 versus $42.5. As far as how many teams that affects, that depends on your point of view I suppose. If one is a PA shill who won't see anything or concede a point after they have been hammered on it repeatedly AND don't mind a little self-contradiction, they would say eight or so. If you are halfway sensible and/or have some perception and can read a simple chart showing the trajectory of NHL salaries in non-CBA circumstances, you would say eight off the bat, with a lot more once the salary escalation train and agent collusion resumed its constant path.
To say nothing of the fact that salary sizes set by the high spenders of the league affects all teams...
Chum, if as you suggest the cap size is irrelevant and affects only a few teams, ask yourself this: why did the PA allow the flushing of an entire season over it? At the eleventh hour, why were they exchanging faxes and drawing lines in the sand over an inconsequential issue? I thought so.
Looks like a huge loss expected for the PA ahead based on that deal and the systemic issues where terrible to boot .. and the cap was fixed all 6 years as well ..
Firstly, you have no idea what the NHL position was on systemic issues. The negotiaing point was the PA December 9 proposal. THe NHL required adjustments to that proposal. That does not mean "terrible". As for the cap being fixed, I will remind you - AGAIN - that the PA required the removal of linkage to even discuss a cap at that time.
It shows that even if all 6 - 8 big market teams spent every penny of the $42.5 mil that they couldn't make the deal better then the current one for the PA because of the spending habits of the other 22 teams and their afforability to spend, to remain profitable.