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[CantHaveTkachev]

I wonder if Toews would have been singing a different tune if his team were top 10 as opposed to 23rd overall

 

[bellagiobob]

I wonder if Toews would have been singing a different tune if his team were top 10 as opposed to 23rd overall

Very fair question. Strength of your team likely had an influence on the vote. The teams out of the playoffs get a freebie, as the other players bust their ass while they sit at home and still benefit from the escrow repayment.

 

[Cloned]

Apparently Toews was one of two PA executive board members to vote against it. The other was apparently Carolina's rep.

It'd be interesting to know if they had the support of their respective teams with their votes.

 

[GrinningBuddha]

6 days to some game action!

 

[bellagiobob]

6 days to some game action!

Thanks for doing these. Will tomorrow be Smith or Smid, or old school with Doug Hicks?

 

[Fourier]

I wonder if Toews would have been singing a different tune if his team were top 10 as opposed to 23rd overall

Toews has been vocal in his opposition to escrow amongst other things in the CBA. The problem is that his past comments suggest that he does not even understand the system in place, or he is simply being completely disingenuous.

(Added in edit: Toews said he voted yes. )

 

[GrinningBuddha]

Thanks for doing these. Will tomorrow be Smith or Smid, or old school with Doug Hicks?

I've only been a fan since '83 or so, not super familiar with guys from the WHA or '78-'81.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Thanks for doing these. Will tomorrow be Smith or Smid, or old school with Doug Hicks?

Fayne.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Toews has been vocal in his opposition to escrow amongst other things in the CBA. The problem is that his past comments suggest that he does not even understand the system in place, or he is simply being completely disingenuous.

Doesn't like escrow, doesn't like playing hockey to reduce escrow.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Doesn't like escrow, doesn't like playing hockey to reduce escrow.

Toews is one of the more militant players out there and doesn’t seem to have the foggiest idea how escrow works or why it’s there.

 

[GrinningBuddha]

Something I'm liking a lot is how heads-up the guys seem to be playing. Very little skating with the puck while under pressure, just finding the open man and moving the puck. Granted, these are highlights of the successful plays and not the ones which flamed out but puck movement seems to be on point and awareness seems good.

Also not to be discounted is the choice to have a scrimmage at the same game time as games 2 & 3 of the Chicago series with piped-in crowd noise as will be the case in the playoffs. Smart adaptation moves by management here.

 

[Aerchon]

Toews has been vocal in his opposition to escrow amongst other things in the CBA. The problem is that his past comments suggest that he does not even understand the system in place, or he is simply being completely disingenuous.

Toews is one of the more militant players out there and doesn’t seem to have the foggiest idea how escrow works or why it’s there.

Pretty much any time a player speaks out about escrow or or cba stuff they come off stupid, greedy, or both. I'm kinda shocked they manage any leverage in negotiations due to how ridiculous players seem.

 

[iCanada]

Pretty much any time a player speaks out about escrow or or cba stuff they come off stupid, greedy, or both. I'm kinda shocked they manage any leverage in negotiations due to how ridiculous players seem.

How do they come off as greedy?

If you signed a work deal worth 4 million and had to pay back 1.8 million, how would you feel?

 

[Oil Gauge]

How do they come off as greedy?

If you signed a work deal worth 4 million and had to pay back 1.8 million, how would you feel?

They dont really sign for X amount of dollars. They sign for a % of hockey related revenue.

 

[Oil Gauge]

Something I'm liking a lot is how heads-up the guys seem to be playing. Very little skating with the puck while under pressure, just finding the open man and moving the puck. Granted, these are highlights of the successful plays and not the ones which flamed out but puck movement seems to be on point and awareness seems good.

Also not to be discounted is the choice to have a scrimmage at the same game time as games 2 & 3 of the Chicago series with piped-in crowd noise as will be the case in the playoffs. Smart adaptation moves by management here.

Piped in crowd noise? I'm pretty sure they just released a swarm of bees.

Smith did not look good. I'm thinking Koskinen will get the net to start.

 

[Fourier]

How do they come off as greedy?

If you signed a work deal worth 4 million and had to pay back 1.8 million, how would you feel?

You have just made the exact point people are speaking of. The players don't actually sign a contract the promises to pay them $XXX. Because of the 50% revenue sharing rule which is the absolute cornerstone of the CBA their nominal salaries only tell what portion of the pie they will receive relative to their peers. As a senior member of the NHLPA you would think Toews would recognize this, but he has repeatedly acted as if he did not understand this.

 

[Fourier]

Something I'm liking a lot is how heads-up the guys seem to be playing. Very little skating with the puck while under pressure, just finding the open man and moving the puck. Granted, these are highlights of the successful plays and not the ones which flamed out but puck movement seems to be on point and awareness seems good.

Also not to be discounted is the choice to have a scrimmage at the same game time as games 2 & 3 of the Chicago series with piped-in crowd noise as will be the case in the playoffs. Smart adaptation moves by management here.

McDavid is such a handful for defensemen. Playing against him and Leon has to make them better.

 

[Aerchon]

How do they come off as greedy?

If you signed a work deal worth 4 million and had to pay back 1.8 million, how would you feel?

They dont really sign for X amount of dollars. They sign for a % of hockey related revenue.

You have just made the exact point people are speaking of. The players don't actually sign a contract the promises to pay them $XXX. Because of the 50% revenue sharing rule which is the absolute cornerstone of the CBA their nominal salaries only tell what portion of the pie they will receive relative to their peers. As a senior member of the NHLPA you would think Toews would recognize this, but he has repeatedly acted as if he did not understand this.

As the others replied.

It's extremely basic how revenue and their contracts work. Complaining about it appears childish at best.

 

[joestevens29]

The fact the NHL players don't understand escrow is quite sad.

If they can't figure that out how are they going to figure out how to invest their money?

Really think the PA should be running a yearly finance class for these goofs, but no instead we will here about another player that lost all of his money due to poor money decisions.

 

[oXo Cube]

The fact the NHL players don't understand escrow is quite sad.

Many of them talk passionately about a topic that they clearly don't understand even a little bit.

It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

 

[Fourier]

In Toews defense he now says he voted yes. So while I stand by my comments that in the past he has said some rather questionable things concerning escrow, in this case if what he says is true, then I commend him.

 

[Del Preston]

"What do you mean I'm only getting overpaid by $8 million this season?" - Jonathan Toews

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

 

[Cloned]

In Toews defense he now says he voted yes. So while I stand by my comments that in the past he has said some rather questionable things concerning escrow, in this case if what he says is true, then I commend him.

So Friedman was wrong? Who voted no?

 

[Fourier]

So Friedman was wrong? Who voted no?

I am not sure.