NHL, NHLPA begin planning 2024 World Cup UPD pushed to Feb 2025

[LadyStanley]

NHL, NHLPA begin planning 2024 World Cup of Hockey; 'strong possibility' held in February: Sources
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"Strong possibility " it'll be mid-season (February).


Hmmmmm

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[fryfunk]

This can't be right, sounds like a glorified allstar game if it's pre playoffs.

A summer tournament makes far more sense, it's the off season, almost no hockey content, and you have good old Canada with empty arenas.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This can't be right, sounds like a glorified allstar game if it's pre playoffs.

A summer tournament makes far more sense, it's the off season, almost no hockey content, and you have good old Canada with empty arenas.

Per the article it sounds like the desire for a February tournament is coming from the players, so they can have their full summer off.

I imagine the NHLPA's interest is driven by the lack of an Olympic opportunity. The chance to go to the Olympics was a big bone of contention in the CBA, so this might be the owners and players working toward a "make whole" scenario which would benefit both sides.

I can imagine a future where the Olympics and World Cup alternate even-numbered years, with the ASG on odd-numbered years. That would be a lot of fun actually.

 

[fryfunk]

Per the article it sounds like the desire for a February tournament is coming from the players, so they can have their full summer off.

I imagine the NHLPA's interest is driven by the lack of an Olympic opportunity. The chance to go to the Olympics was a big bone of contention in the CBA, so this might be the owners and players working toward a "make whole" scenario which would benefit both sides.

I can imagine a future where the Olympics and World Cup alternate even-numbered years, with the ASG on odd-numbered years. That would be a lot of fun actually.

There's 12 months in a year, seems like absurdity to have a tournament 2 months before the big bang. Summer injuries create cap space, mid winter injuries kill playoff runs.

Gary is fighting for summer Olympic participation seems like he gets the math.

Who wants to pay $200 a ticket during the regular season.

A summer tournament captures people who are bored.

Regardless I think the sport needs more tournaments.

With 32 teams waiting around for the cup is just so blah.

Back when the 2 conferences were effectively seperate leagues in the off season, you could play far more value in making it to a conference final.

Nowadays the conference final isn't really that type of thing where it was effectively a "league" championship.

One of the things I noticed with the Canadian division last year, was that a division title actually felt like something tangible.

The sport needs more than a junior championship and a singular cup game.

 

[Yukon Joe]

A February world cup makes a certain amount of sense. Players will be in mid-season form, action should be fairy intense. You're going to hate it if your the one team whose star player is injured during a Feb world cup and can't play for two months though.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There's 12 months in a year, seems like absurdity to have a tournament 2 months before the big bang. Summer injuries create cap space, mid winter injuries kill playoff runs.

Gary is fighting for summer Olympic participation seems like he gets the math.

Who wants to pay $200 a ticket during the regular season.

A summer tournament captures people who are bored.

Regardless I think the sport needs more tournaments.

With 32 teams waiting around for the cup is just so blah.

Back when the 2 conferences were effectively seperate leagues in the off season, you could play far more value in making it to a conference final.

Nowadays the conference final isn't really that type of thing where it was effectively a "league" championship.

One of the things I noticed with the Canadian division last year, was that a division title actually felt like something tangible.

The sport needs more than a junior championship and a singular cup game.

I agree with all of the above (especially the part about making non-Cup achievements more important).

Just not sure how realistic it will be to have a summer tourney. Players legitimately do need time to rest their bodies and be ordinary humans, so it would likely be something like a September tournament replacing their training camps. I would be totally fine with that, but I can see why the players would rather do an “Olympic” schedule.

 

[fryfunk]

I agree with all of the above (especially the part about making non-Cup achievements more important).

Just not sure how realistic it will be to have a summer tourney. Players legitimately do need time to rest their bodies and be ordinary humans, so it would likely be something like a September tournament replacing their training camps. I would be totally fine with that, but I can see why the players would rather do an “Olympic” schedule.

Yeah I donno, I just don't want a glorified all star tournament, I want something that matters.

Personally I'd prefer two tournaments, a kind of world cup, and a Canada cup series.

I get people want to call anything that is different a gimmick cup, but I think people underrate how massively popular something like a Team Ontario would be.

This becomes especially true if it's hosted in Ontario.



It makes sense when more than half the talent is in two countries.

EDIT: Lets go overboard 4 tournaments.

A top 6 world cup.

A european cup with only european teams.

A Canada cup, with teams ontario-Quebec and some states like michigan.

And then some sort of mix of all 3.

 

[decma]

Will European leagues shut down in February ? If not, this could be an NHL-only thing, and far from a best on best.

 

[LadyStanley]

Who wants to pay $200 a ticket during the regular season.

Lower bowl at the Fortress for many games.

#DependsOnTheMarketAndDemand

 

[fryfunk]

Lower bowl at the Fortress for many games.

#DependsOnTheMarketAndDemand

My point was why would you want to pay $200 bucks for a world cup game, when 3 days later you can goto a regular season game.

A summer tournament will get you money from people who aren't buying tickets or have already but tickets for the regular season.

 

[fryfunk]

Will European leagues shut down in February ? If not, this could be an NHL-only thing, and far from a best on best.

I can't imagine why the league would have any interest in something if it weren't exclusively nhl players.

If you want to be part of the best on best you need to play in the best league, in my opinion.

 

[Crayton]

Any guesses on the two gimmick teams?
Western and Eastern Europe? Canada B? Young Gunz?

 

[IU Hawks fan]

February right after the Super Bowl makes too much. Play it in Vegas, LA/Anaheim, and Phoenix (depending on the arena situation).

"People will come Ray. People will most definitely come."

 

[fryfunk]

Any guesses on the two gimmick teams?
Western and Eastern Europe? Canada B? Young Gunz?

Everything is a gimmick the first time around.

You think Sharks and Kraken aren't gimmicks?

Repetition breeds tradition.

The idea it has to be either a pure national competition or a pure city on city isn't based on reality.

I'd rather watch 8 competitive teams versus watching a handful of teams geting smashed endlessly.

 

[joelef]

Everything is a gimmick the first time around.

You think Sharks and Kraken aren't gimmicks?

Repetition breeds tradition.

The idea it has to be either a pure national competition or a pure city on city isn't based on reality.

I'd rather watch 8 competitive teams versus watching a handful of teams geting smashed endlessly.

I much rather see ancestry.com teams then young guns

 

[IU Hawks fan]

I'd be fine with the young guns team if the national teams still had 1st crack at everyone. It should be Team USA, not the USA O23s or whatever.

 

[jkrdevil]

I think you need it to be entirely real countries to have legitimacy. That is what in part sunk the 2016 version.

If you do it midseason, go to 13 teams like the Olympics. However you make it where group winners go automatically to the semifinals, and the three second place teams and best 3rd place team go to a two round single elimination group to returning the 4th semifinal team. Semifinals and Final are single elimination as well.

That means teams that win play between 5-7 games in a two week period (like a playoff series). It also provides for a more meaningful prelim round, which the current Olympic format with all teams advancing doesn’t give you.

 

[fryfunk]

I much rather see ancestry.com teams then young guns

Sure but I don't see how you could not have a team europe.

As a Canada I'd been very interested in a Team Ontario, or potentially a Qleague team.

EDIT: To me you should have two tournaments, a top six tournament, and something like a 12 team tournament, including team Ontario etc.

 

[fryfunk]

I think you need it to be entirely real countries to have legitimacy. That is what in part sunk the 2016 version.

The young guns team didn't work but you can't escape the need for a team Europe, unless you want draisaltle to sit out.

Things are gimmicks until they are traditions, getting high and mighty about it serves no purpose.

The league/sport/schedule doesn't allow for a proper world cup.

If you do it midseason, go to 13 teams like the Olympics. However you make it where group winners go automatically to the semifinals, and the three second place teams and best 3rd place team go to a two round single elimination group to returning the 4th semifinal team. Semifinals and Final are single elimination as well.

That means teams that win play between 5-7 games in a two week period (like a playoff series). It also provides for a more meaningful prelim round, which the current Olympic format with all teams advancing doesn’t give you.

If you have 13 real countries you might as well just stick with the world championships.

The NHL wants an NHL only tournament.

If you aren't gonna allow "gimmick teams" you're gonna get the top 6 teams and that's it.

 

[joelef]

Why not do what baseball does and allow heritage te

 

[joelef]

For example team Italy could be nhl Canadians of Italian descent

 

[fryfunk]

For example team Italy could be nhl Canadians of Italian descent

To me team North America should of been the Immigrants/inclusion team.

Draisailt, Stuzle, etc, plus players like Simmons who might not make team Canada.

The immigrant experience is something a lot of people in other markets or even this one can relate too.

 

[jkrdevil]

The young guns team didn't work but you can't escape the need for a team Europe, unless you want draisaltle to sit out.

Things are gimmicks until they are traditions, getting high and mighty about it serves no purpose.

The league/sport/schedule doesn't allow for a proper world cup.


If you have 13 real countries you might as well just stick with the world championships.

The NHL wants an NHL only tournament.

If you aren't gonna allow "gimmick teams" you're gonna get the top 6 teams and that's it.

It was a a typo (damn typing on a phone). I meant 12 teams, which gets you Germany, Switzerland, and Slovakia in the tournament.

 

[Albatros]

The last World Cup was nowhere near successful enough for this to be an attractive proposition to the Europeans without further concessions.

 

[vorky]