NHL.com has new proposal posted

Discussion in 'The Business of Hockey' started by Taranis_24, Feb 2, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Taranis_24

    Taranis_24 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    Messages:
    680
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    74
    Home Page:
  2. RinkOnEStreet

    RinkOnEStreet Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2004
    Messages:
    1,080
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    84
    Max contract length of 3 years? WTF? Why?
     
  3. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass elite pissy upside

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2003
    Messages:
    21,646
    Likes Received:
    586
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Occupation:
    Hedge Fund administrating
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Awards:
    The last line of the proposal.


    -- Union's offer of 24% across-the-board Salary Rollback for all remaining years of all existing contracts is accepted.


    :lol:
     
  4. TonySCV

    TonySCV Golden

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2004
    Messages:
    14,425
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    116
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
  5. Hemooli

    Hemooli Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    820
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Accountant
    Home Page:
    Personally, I think the owners are being a bit too generous. It's still a good deal for both sides, but I think the owners could have tried for a little bit more.
     
  6. shakes

    shakes Pep City

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2003
    Messages:
    8,424
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Home Page:
    so they want the cap AND the 24% rollback? Those owners sure know how to bargain.
     
  7. TonySCV

    TonySCV Golden

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2004
    Messages:
    14,425
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    116
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Interesting... the players get playoff revenue for this year:

    Recognizing a shortened regular season with a full Playoff, a distribution of revenues generated from the 2005 Stanley Cup Playoffs to ensure that the Players receive the agreed-upon 53% of League Revenues.
     
  8. sveiglar

    sveiglar Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    8,585
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    So they gave it to the union and an hour later throw it up on the website for the world to see? I'm very much pro-owner in this, but this reeks of PR. Don't see much for the union in it.

    BTW.. payroll tax at the union's sole discretion:

    PA: "We'd like a tax; no cap."
    NHL: "Here's our cap proposal.. and just because you wanted it, here's a tax within it so teams pay extra to reach the top of the cap. No need to thank us."
     
  9. TonySCV

    TonySCV Golden

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2004
    Messages:
    14,425
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    116
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I'm sure that's there as a negotiating point for the NHLPA... "We'll accept the offer but we're taking back the 24%..."
     
  10. jcpenny

    jcpenny Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2002
    Messages:
    4,878
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Montréal
    Home Page:
    Its the only way to start on solid base.
     
  11. shakes

    shakes Pep City

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2003
    Messages:
    8,424
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Home Page:
    I thought the same thing.. i wonder what's taking the NHLPA so long to reject it.
     
  12. Scoogs

    Scoogs Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2005
    Messages:
    18,309
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    126
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    You need that to bring the teams down under the cap. Or close enough to it so that they dont need to completely tear up their current rosters.
     
  13. Brodeur

    Brodeur Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    17,462
    Likes Received:
    504
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Location:
    San Diego
    To protect GMs from bad decisions, a la John LeClair for 5 years, Robert Lang for 5 years, Brian Savage for 4 years, Pierre Turgeon, etc etc.
     
  14. Hemooli

    Hemooli Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    820
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Accountant
    Home Page:
    I'm betting that it's a MUCH better deal than the NHL has offered in the past. I think that there's a good chance that the union knows it has lost, and will have to make a stand somewhere.
     
  15. Habsfan 32

    Habsfan 32 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2004
    Messages:
    6,316
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Way up north...
    This offer can't be worse then the last offer by the league.
     
  16. shakes

    shakes Pep City

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2003
    Messages:
    8,424
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Home Page:
    How? To ask for everything and give relatively nothing? They took the players 24% rollback, which was the NHLPA's way of reducing salaries instead of a cap, and added a cap as well.
     
  17. craig1

    craig1 Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2002
    Messages:
    4,207
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Financial Manager/Scholar
    Location:
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Home Page:
    I read the full proposal and the comparison to the last one.
    Honestly, I like it. If the players walk away, they are fools. Plain and simple. It is not going to get much better than this. There is not much, if any, more that I see the league compromising on. At this point, they are just wasting away salary and careers. The league has made the specific framework they will take very clear. Don't like it? Go play in Europe.
     
  18. Hemooli

    Hemooli Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2005
    Messages:
    820
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Accountant
    Home Page:
    That's what I said.
     
  19. John Flyers Fan

    John Flyers Fan Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    22,416
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    The season is toast. :cry:
     
  20. Hockeyfan02

    Hockeyfan02 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2002
    Messages:
    14,755
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Pistivity
    Home Page:
    Most interesting part of the proposal to me: League has option to eliminate Salary Arbitration mechanism in its entirety at any time during the term of the Agreement by converting age of eligibility for Group 3 Free Agency to 28.
     
  21. The Maltais Falcon

    The Maltais Falcon Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    Messages:
    1,156
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    It looks like while they've asked for club arbitration, they've actually liberalized player arbitration somewhat too. Now any Group II player can ask for arbitration once they come off their rookie deal (which are now four years.) A player could get arbitration until he'd been in the league five years or so before, couldn't he?
     
  22. shakes

    shakes Pep City

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2003
    Messages:
    8,424
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Home Page:
    Sorry, you want a cap to lower salaries, then have a cap to lower salaries. Why should players who have existing contracts give anything up if the ownership is getting a cap. Gut the rosters then.
     
  23. Motown Beatdown

    Motown Beatdown Need a slump buster

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2002
    Messages:
    8,572
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Indianapolis
    Home Page:
    Got hand it to the NHL, whatever they like in the PA proposals they just throw into their proposals.

    PA wanted a luxuxry tax instead of a hard cap. Owners use both
    PA gave 24% back without a hard cap. Owners throw in rollback in their hard cap proposal.
     
  24. i am dave

    i am dave Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2004
    Messages:
    2,182
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Corner of 1st & 1st
    I found this one extremely interesting:

    "The League proposes that players share in revenues generated from the 2005 Stanley Cup Playoffs."

    That's from the side-by-side comparison of the last two proposals.
     
  25. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass elite pissy upside

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2003
    Messages:
    21,646
    Likes Received:
    586
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Occupation:
    Hedge Fund administrating
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Awards:
    That's exactly my feeling on this, the stupid players never had leverge to begin with and now if there is no season do they really expect to have any more than what they didn't have going into next fall. The owners position will only get stronger from this inevtiable cancellation, the players have to know this or they really are clueless.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"