OT: NHL All-Time Draft

[Flyer lurker]

I think espo over clarke but its close and wouldn't argue clarke.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Morenz

Shore
Kelly (And an insanely useful ability to play both C and D very well)

Clarke
Fetisov

Your value in these things is almost always going to be in very old players or Euros whether Clarke wore a Flyers jersey or not. Morenz is the original generational talent. When adjusted for era, his 7 year scoring peak is right up there with Crosby and Richard, just short of Beliveau. He's in a completely different conversation than everyone else here unless you're putting a huge emphasis on Shore's Harts.

Brodeur's bad, but Francis is even worse. Is there even an argument he should be a 2nd rounder let alone a 1st? Off the top of my head, he's not a top 100 player.

Viachaslav Fetisov is my round 2 pick

<3

 

[DancingPanther]

Morenz

Shore
Kelly (And an insanely useful ability to play both C and D very well)

Clarke
Fetisov

Your value in these things is almost always going to be in very old players or Euros whether Clarke wore a Flyers jersey or not. Morenz is the original generational talent. When adjusted for era, his 7 year scoring peak is right up there with Crosby and Richard, just short of Beliveau. He's in a completely different conversation than everyone else here unless you're putting a huge emphasis on Shore's Harts.

Brodeur's bad, but Francis is even worse. Is there even an argument he should be a 2nd rounder let alone a 1st? Off the top of my head, he's not a top 100 player.



<3

Fetisov is my jam. A heart from JoJo will not be forgotten

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Feel like the Rangers got a steal here with Richard.

A lot of great defensemen on the board, but you know the Flyers are going with Clarke.

@JojoTheWhale Francis was voted in the NHL's top 100 a couple of years ago and the the list is objectively perfect, so of course he is a top 100 player.

Edit: never officially voted, I guess. My pick here would be Kelly (why go just D when you can pick a D who was also an all time great forward?), but I understand the Clarke vote.

 

[DancingPanther]

Dude went by Ronnie. Nuff said

 

[CanadianSniper]

Clarke

 

[FLYguy3911]

Picking your own player is lame. Don’t do it.

 

[wankstifier]

Gonna copy Jo cause I have little knowledge of the game’s history and Clarke needs some punishment for forgetting the Captain’s name

Morenz

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Gonna copy Jo cause I have little knowledge of the game’s history and Clarke needs some punishment for forgetting the Captain’s name

Morenz

The History of Hockey board here is really excellent. They're even collaborating with the Society for International Hockey Research now.

For some reference, here's their last top 100 list with the discussions linked at the end of the post. It's not gospel, but it's made by people who at least try to contextualize the older eras and non-NHLers. Lists were vetted to ensure this. Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time (Part 2)

 

[BiggE]

Bobby Clarke

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'm with JoJo and I'm shocked nobody else has taken Morenz. The original great one. Gimme that, Morenz for me.

 

[DancingPanther]

Dudes I'm gonna be honest with you I have no idea who Morenz is and the fella didn't even put up a point per game in the NHL. Why is he the original great one? First to score on a (very close to) nightly basis?

What I do know is he's listed as 5'9 165. f***ing shrimp. He has no place on my team. He probably didn't even play heavy

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Dudes I'm gonna be honest with you I have no idea who Morenz is and the fella didn't even put up a point per game in the NHL. Why is he the original great one? First to score on a (very close to) nightly basis?

What I do know is he's listed as 5'9 165. f***ing shrimp. He has no place on my team. He probably didn't even play heavy

You have no reason to know who Morenz is unless you've looked into the era. Nothing wrong with that at all.

His first 6 years (most of his prime) were played with forward passes being illegal in the offensive zone. At no point in his career could you make a pass that crossed a blue line. Yes, seriously.

He's generally credited as being the first player to transcend hockey circles and put the game on the map. I could write up something ham-fisted or I could just link you to this post: Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Round 2, Vote 3. That's way better than I'll ever be able to do.

 

[DancingPanther]

You have no reason to know who Morenz is unless you've looked into the era. Nothing wrong with that at all.

His first 6 years (most of his prime) were played with forward passes being illegal in the offensive zone. At no point in his career could you make a pass that crossed a blue line. Yes, seriously.

He's generally credited as being the first player to transcend hockey circles and put the game on the map. I could write up something ham-fisted or I could just link you to this post: Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Round 2, Vote 3. That's way better than I'll ever be able to do.

No kidding. So he essentially did all of that literally himself. Wow

I'll be sure to take a look at that link

 

[Beef Invictus]

You have no reason to know who Morenz is unless you've looked into the era. Nothing wrong with that at all.

His first 6 years (most of his prime) were played with forward passes being illegal in the offensive zone. At no point in his career could you make a pass that crossed a blue line. Yes, seriously.

He's generally credited as being the first player to transcend hockey circles and put the game on the map. I could write up something ham-fisted or I could just link you to this post: Top-100 Hockey Players of All-Time - Round 2, Vote 3. That's way better than I'll ever be able to do.

There are also posts with a slew of newspaper clips pondering if Gordie Howe was better than Morenz or not. He's the forgotten great one.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No kidding. So he essentially did all of that literally himself. Wow

I'll be sure to take a look at that link

Yeah, his skating was on a different level than everyone else which gave him a huge advantage. Even with the garbage skates that were being used then there are scattered film clips of him soaring past everyone. I recall one where he was moving with speed that would be quick today.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I'm with JoJo and I'm shocked nobody else has taken Morenz. The original great one. Gimme that, Morenz for me.

Changing my vote to Howie Morenz (from Chris Pronger)

Jojo has convinced me. I still think we can get Clarke in Round 2.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Changing my vote to Howie Morenz (from Chris Pronger)

Jojo has convinced me. I still think we can get Clarke in Round 2.

We are actually probably doing this wrong. Most people will probably have ignored Morenz for ages, we probably should get Clarke now and Morenz after.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

We are actually probably doing this wrong. Most people will probably have ignored Morenz for ages, we probably should get Clarke now and Morenz after.

We should get Clarke now because it's a great pick. The elite two-way skills, the leadership - those things actually matter, particularly when you are starting a franchise. He's a tone-setter, and not necessarily limited to "Broad Street Bully" tones. I like Jojo's pick as well, but there's nothing wrong with Clarke here whatsoever. There would be if it were massively influenced by homerism, and while some votes are effected by that, mine certainly wasn't - if anything I would go the other way, because I hate that shit as much as @FLYguy3911 does.

This reminds me of the Ricci pick in 1990. We were in basically the same position, building a team from scratch. He was the right pick at #4, and would have been the right pick at #1, for us in the context of our individual situation. Clarkie is a great pick here for the same reasons that Ricci was then.

 

[Starat327]

We should get Clarke now because it's a great pick. The elite two-way skills, the leadership - those things actually matter, particularly when you are starting a franchise. He's a tone-setter, and not necessarily limited to "Broad Street Bully" tones. I like Jojo's pick as well, but there's nothing wrong with Clarke here whatsoever. There would be if it were massively influenced by homerism, and while some votes are effected by that, mine certainly wasn't - if anything I would go the other way, because I hate that shit as much as @FLYguy3911 does.

This reminds me of the Ricci pick in 1990. We were in basically the same position, building a team from scratch. He was the right pick at #4, and would have been the right pick at #1, for us in the context of our individual situation. Clarkie is a great pick here for the same reasons that Ricci was then.

Great post.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

We are actually probably doing this wrong. Most people will probably have ignored Morenz for ages, we probably should get Clarke now and Morenz after.

I'm looking at Dallas taking Harvey and thinking someone there won't let it happen.

Also, how the hell did I miss Hawerchuk going 17? Hahahahahaha. At least Lindros was just people going full galaxy brain. I can't fathom a justification for that.

My votes are going to look like a Vaudevillian Speed Skating act plus Al MacInnis. I stick to my brand, @Captain Dave Poulin

 

[UnSandvich]

I'm looking at Dallas taking Harvey and thinking someone there won't let it happen.

Also, how the hell did I miss Hawerchuk going 17? Hahahahahaha. At least Lindros was just people going full galaxy brain. I can't fathom a justification for that.

My votes are going to look like a Vaudevillian Speed Skating act plus Al MacInnis. I stick to my brand, @Captain Dave Poulin

Shore not being gone by this point is equally mystifying to me

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Shore not being gone by this point is equally mystifying to me

Even though I would take Morenz, I think Shore is more mystifying given that his name is literally in your header.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I'm looking at Dallas taking Harvey and thinking someone there won't let it happen.

Also, how the hell did I miss Hawerchuk going 17? Hahahahahaha. At least Lindros was just people going full galaxy brain. I can't fathom a justification for that.

My votes are going to look like a Vaudevillian Speed Skating act plus Al MacInnis. I stick to my brand, @Captain Dave Poulin

"With their pick in the third round of the NHL All-Time Draft, the Philadelphia Flyers select chain-smoking bald bastard Al Iafrate."

 

[Starat327]

"With their pick in the third round of the NHL All-Time Draft, the Philadelphia Flyers select chain-smoking bald bastard Al Iafrate."

Uhhh, 3rd round is for the goons and energy guys. Think Ty Domi with our third rounder, maybe Rob Ray/Brad May.