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I personally have said I don't have much desire to keep McKegg short of a 1 year 2 way deal. If he gets better than that, go for it. He's not anything special at all.

He *is* though. His name is Greg McKegg, first of all. And secondly, he's a true center. Not to overstate his value, but he solidified our "four-line" game when he came up. I'd hate to lose him without replacing him with a true center. Nicklas Roy and/or Clark Bishop are poor imitations.
 

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He *is* though. His name is Greg McKegg, first of all. And secondly, he's a true center. Not to overstate his value, but he solidified our "four-line" game when he came up. I'd hate to lose him without replacing him with a true center. Nicklas Roy and/or Clark Bishop are poor imitations.

Yep we need Mckegg or an equivalent.
 

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Thinking about it more, I guess if Nordstrom got a 2 year deal at $1M / year after the last 2 seasons he had in Carolina, it's possible McKegg will get an offer from someone else.
 

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Anybody else think McKegg is in the same boat as McElhinney, in that we like them, and want them back, but we would prefer short, cheap deals and they have a chance to get a couple years guaranteed out of someone and will probably leave?

My prediction is that both will get better deals elsewhere....McElhinney might get considered if he'll take a 1 year deal, but I believe it's Ned's time in the organization's eyes. McKegg is a great story and a great team guy but is like 1,000 other guys just like him. What is a little special is that he's a much speedier player who has fairly good puck handling skills. I just think that if Necas comes in and the team signs another higher end forward, players are going to get pushed down a notch and if I'm asked do I keep Brock McGinn or Greg McKegg, I'm picking McGinn. The same can be said for Wallmark. Don't get me wrong, as I said, I love McKegg and his story, but as I've also said, we're almost certainly going to lose a fan favorite or two this off season.
 

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I was going to make the point that a right-handed 4C that wins faceoffs at a good clip external to the organization is the type of modest move a team in this circumstance would make, but there isn't much of anything out there.

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It's Eric Fehr or bust as far as UFAs go. On the trade side, Pageau is a 2020 UFA; he'd be interesting as an overslotted 4C or a 3C, if Wallmark falters. His $3.4 mil salary may not be a fit, however.
 

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Assuming (other than by trade) the minimum amount of come back or are brought back next year

i.e. Williams retires, Ferland goes elsewhere, and McKegg goes elsewhere

That leaves the Canes with (including only those who are more or less a lock for the making the team):

At C: Staal, Aho, Wallmark

At W: NN, TT, Svech, Martinook, Foegele, McGinn

That leaves 3 spots reasonably up for grabs with the following guys competing for them (the below list is not in any particular order):

Maenalanen (If there are indeed 3 open spots I would say he is all but a lock)
Bishop
Brown
Necas (lock to make it I would imagine)
Gauthier
Koukkanen
Saarela
Geekie
Roy

That is a ton of competition. I would think it wont go down this way as we will see some trades.

There are 8-9 NHL/NHL ready D under contract / RFA next year and I cant see them keeping all of them
 

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Assuming (other than by trade) the minimum amount of come back or are brought back next year

i.e. Williams retires, Ferland goes elsewhere, and McKegg goes elsewhere

That leaves the Canes with (including only those who are more or less a lock for the making the team):

At C: Staal, Aho, Wallmark

At W: NN, TT, Svech, Martinook, Foegele, McGinn

That leaves 3 spots reasonably up for grabs with the following guys competing for them (the below list is not in any particular order):

Maenalanen (If there are indeed 3 open spots I would say he is all but a lock)
Bishop
Brown
Necas (lock to make it I would imagine)
Gauthier
Koukkanen
Saarela
Geekie
Roy

That is a ton of competition. I would think it wont go down this way as we will see some trades.

There are 8-9 NHL/NHL ready D under contract / RFA next year and I cant see them keeping all of them
Necas is the only one on that list aside from maybe Kooks who has either shown ability or is developed enough to really challenge for a spot in the top 9, and he’s a question mark. I love our depth for the fourth line, and maybe filling in on the third in a pinch but not long term. Geekie has put himself on the map but probably isn’t ready.

You’re right about the trades, or FA. We will need some reinforcements.
 

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Assuming Williams is re-signed, Ferland walks and no other changes, I see the following (but not necessarily these lines):

Svech-Aho-TT;
Nino-Staal-Williams
Foegele-Wallmark-McGinn (or Martinook)
Martinook-X-X

The "X"s could be filled by Maenalanen, McKegg, Bishop or Brown but too me, that's not good enough. Assuming Necas makes the team this year:

Svech-Aho-TT
Nino-Staal-Williams
Foegele-Wallmark-Necas
Martinook-X-McGinn

Ideally, I'd like to see another top 9 C added, either via UFA or trade of Faulk.

Svech-Aho-TT
Nino-Staal-Williams
Foegele-NewC-Necas
Martinook-Wallmark-McGinn (line might actually be the 3rd line).

I still think we need to add at least 1 top 9 F. Williams isn't going to last forever as well.
 

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Necas is the only one on that list aside from maybe Kooks who has either shown ability or is developed enough to really challenge for a spot in the top 9, and he’s a question mark. I love our depth for the fourth line, and maybe filling in on the third in a pinch but not long term. Geekie has put himself on the map but probably isn’t ready.

You’re right about the trades, or FA. We will need some reinforcements.
I wouldn't count out goat for the 3rd line as soon as next season either
 

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If I was a betting man I would bet that Necas and Goat will break in as full time NHLers next year.

If we sign Williams, there won't be room for both unless we let McGinn go, which on the surface seems counter to what Rod would like and very unlikely, but I guess it depends on how much Brock wants as an RFA. I have a hard time thinking the Canes will be a better team next year with Gauthier on it vs. McGinn though.

If Williams returns, then my bet would be Necas joins the Canes and Gauthier stays another year in the AHL.
 

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If we sign Williams, there won't be room for both unless we let McGinn go, which on the surface seems counter to what Rod would like and very unlikely, but I guess it depends on how much Brock wants as an RFA. I have a hard time thinking the Canes will be a better team next year with Gauthier on it vs. McGinn though.

If Williams returns, then my bet would be Necas joins the Canes and Gauthier stays another year in the AHL.
I agree 100 percent that if we sign Williams and there are no unforeseen circumstances opening up roster spots he won’t be on the roster opening night. Just have a feeling that whenever he inevitably gets a chance next year he will take it and run with it
 

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Assuming (other than by trade) the minimum amount of come back or are brought back next year

i.e. Williams retires, Ferland goes elsewhere, and McKegg goes elsewhere

That leaves the Canes with (including only those who are more or less a lock for the making the team):

At C: Staal, Aho, Wallmark

At W: NN, TT, Svech, Martinook, Foegele, McGinn

That leaves 3 spots reasonably up for grabs with the following guys competing for them (the below list is not in any particular order):

Maenalanen (If there are indeed 3 open spots I would say he is all but a lock)
Bishop
Brown
Necas (lock to make it I would imagine)
Gauthier
Koukkanen
Saarela
Geekie
Roy

That is a ton of competition. I would think it wont go down this way as we will see some trades.

There are 8-9 NHL/NHL ready D under contract / RFA next year and I cant see them keeping all of them

Couple of things....Roy, Geekie, Gauthier, Brown, and Necas are the righties on that list. Geekie, Roy, and Brown are the centers and I'm guessing that Necas is hoped to evolve into a full time pivot. Of that group, and nothing's certain given Rod's penchant for "earn it", Necas undoubtedly has the inside track on making the roster. He is a hard worker, is skilled, and has speed the system requires. He's also become much more responsible in his own zone.

Again, I'm repeating myself, but for the team to continue to evolve and improve we will need more talent joining the NHL squad. We can bring in proven Top 9 guy(s) or we can feel like we're sure we've got guys in Charlotte ready to jump into that role. The latter option is one we've depended on in the past and it almost always burned us (Slavin, Pesce, and Foegele, to a lesser extent, being the most notable exceptions). For the former to occur, we'll have to give up assets of value, not just draft picks and not just prospects. A proven NHLer will have to be part of that transaction (unless we sign the right UFA). The guys we would have to offer are: Justin Faulk, Trevor Van Riemsdyk, Lucas Wallmark, Brock McGinn, and Warren Foegele - something of fan favorites across the bunch (well okay, maybe a bit less w/Faulk). The point is, if we wanted to trade for a guy like say....Anthony Mantha or J.T. Miller or even Ryan Nugent Hopkins, you're packaging one (or maybe more) of those guys, a pick, and/or a prospect to get them. In the end we have to be sure that we are actually getting better with a transaction of this type.

The UFA route is pretty limited this year unless you're going to offer sheet one of the usual suspects or trade for an RFA believed to be too expensive for the current team to sign. The portion of the better forwards that we might have a shot at probably includes Gus Nyquist, Kevin Hayes, Ryan Dzingel, Brock Nelson, and maybe Matts Zuccarello. All of those guys are going to get some version of "paid". One other name we might want to look at is Brett Connolly, a right shot winger who has progressively improved his goal scoring as his TOI has increased. He, too, might get paid given his break out season, but my guess is he comes in more reasonable than most assume.

The last and most risky option is to assume that a Gauthier, a Saarela, a Kuokkanen, or other Checker is ready to take the next step. I'd likely add Poturalski, Geekie, and Roy to that mix. If we have slots because both Ferland and McKegg don't return, there will be lots of spirited competition for those openings. And don't forget Saku Maenalanen who has proven quite useful as a physical 4th liner. All in all these are good problems to have, but no matter this season's outcome, there will be a few new faces on next season's roster.
 

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I just thought about something.

Think back to a year ago, when our biggest issue was WTF we were going to do about Scott Darling.

Remember how there were all those points made about "if Darling had been even a league average goalie, Canes make the playoffs"?

Well, what if he HAD been a league average goalie?

If Darling had been league average, Canes make the playoffs by like a point.

That means Darling is probably still our goalie.

It means Ron Francis is probably still our GM.

It means Bill Peters is probably still our coach.

It means we pick 16th, instead of 2nd. We get Martin Kaut instead of Andrei Svechnikov.

It means Petr Mrazek never signs here.

It means instead of Mrazek's .914, we get Darling's league average (.905) this season... costing us a playoff spot.

There is no captain Justin Williams.

There is no Storm Surge.

There is no Hamilton the Pig.

There might not even be Dougie Hamilton.

No tailgates.

No Brock McGinn OT goal.

Just a one-round-and-out whimper in 2018.

Scott Darling's dumpster fire season, by itself, put the Carolina Hurricanes on track to make the conference final 12 months later.




Scott Darling saved this franchise.
 

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I just thought about something.

Think back to a year ago, when our biggest issue was WTF we were going to do about Scott Darling.

Remember how there were all those points made about "if Darling had been even a league average goalie, Canes make the playoffs"?

Well, what if he HAD been a league average goalie?

If Darling had been league average, Canes make the playoffs by like a point.

That means Darling is probably still our goalie.

It means Ron Francis is probably still our GM.

It means Bill Peters is probably still our coach.

It means we pick 16th, instead of 2nd. We get Martin Kaut instead of Andrei Svechnikov.

It means Petr Mrazek never signs here.

It means instead of Mrazek's .914, we get Darling's league average (.905) this season... costing us a playoff spot.

There is no captain Justin Williams.

There is no Storm Surge.

There is no Hamilton the Pig.

There might not even be Dougie Hamilton.

No tailgates.

No Brock McGinn OT goal.

Just a one-round-and-out whimper in 2018.

Scott Darling's dumpster fire season, by itself, put the Carolina Hurricanes on track to make the conference final 12 months later.




Scott Darling saved this franchise.
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NotOpie

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I just thought about something.

Think back to a year ago, when our biggest issue was WTF we were going to do about Scott Darling.

Remember how there were all those points made about "if Darling had been even a league average goalie, Canes make the playoffs"?

Well, what if he HAD been a league average goalie?

If Darling had been league average, Canes make the playoffs by like a point.

That means Darling is probably still our goalie.

It means Ron Francis is probably still our GM.

It means Bill Peters is probably still our coach.

It means we pick 16th, instead of 2nd. We get Martin Kaut instead of Andrei Svechnikov.

It means Petr Mrazek never signs here.

It means instead of Mrazek's .914, we get Darling's league average (.905) this season... costing us a playoff spot.

There is no captain Justin Williams.

There is no Storm Surge.

There is no Hamilton the Pig.

There might not even be Dougie Hamilton.

No tailgates.

No Brock McGinn OT goal.

Just a one-round-and-out whimper in 2018.

Scott Darling's dumpster fire season, by itself, put the Carolina Hurricanes on track to make the conference final 12 months later.




Scott Darling saved this franchise.

Way too much effort in this post....please refer to game day threads for examples of proper amount of effort expended.
 

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Couple of things....Roy, Geekie, Gauthier, Brown, and Necas are the righties on that list. Geekie, Roy, and Brown are the centers and I'm guessing that Necas is hoped to evolve into a full time pivot. Of that group, and nothing's certain given Rod's penchant for "earn it", Necas undoubtedly has the inside track on making the roster. He is a hard worker, is skilled, and has speed the system requires. He's also become much more responsible in his own zone.

Again, I'm repeating myself, but for the team to continue to evolve and improve we will need more talent joining the NHL squad. We can bring in proven Top 9 guy(s) or we can feel like we're sure we've got guys in Charlotte ready to jump into that role. The latter option is one we've depended on in the past and it almost always burned us (Slavin, Pesce, and Foegele, to a lesser extent, being the most notable exceptions). For the former to occur, we'll have to give up assets of value, not just draft picks and not just prospects. A proven NHLer will have to be part of that transaction (unless we sign the right UFA). The guys we would have to offer are: Justin Faulk, Trevor Van Riemsdyk, Lucas Wallmark, Brock McGinn, and Warren Foegele - something of fan favorites across the bunch (well okay, maybe a bit less w/Faulk). The point is, if we wanted to trade for a guy like say....Anthony Mantha or J.T. Miller or even Ryan Nugent Hopkins, you're packaging one (or maybe more) of those guys, a pick, and/or a prospect to get them. In the end we have to be sure that we are actually getting better with a transaction of this type.

The UFA route is pretty limited this year unless you're going to offer sheet one of the usual suspects or trade for an RFA believed to be too expensive for the current team to sign. The portion of the better forwards that we might have a shot at probably includes Gus Nyquist, Kevin Hayes, Ryan Dzingel, Brock Nelson, and maybe Matts Zuccarello. All of those guys are going to get some version of "paid". One other name we might want to look at is Brett Connolly, a right shot winger who has progressively improved his goal scoring as his TOI has increased. He, too, might get paid given his break out season, but my guess is he comes in more reasonable than most assume.

The last and most risky option is to assume that a Gauthier, a Saarela, a Kuokkanen, or other Checker is ready to take the next step. I'd likely add Poturalski, Geekie, and Roy to that mix. If we have slots because both Ferland and McKegg don't return, there will be lots of spirited competition for those openings. And don't forget Saku Maenalanen who has proven quite useful as a physical 4th liner. All in all these are good problems to have, but no matter this season's outcome, there will be a few new faces on next season's roster.

Way too much effort in this post....please refer to game day threads for examples of proper amount of effort expended.
 

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Hamilton familiar foe for Bruins in Eastern Final with Hurricanes

"You start on the ice and what he brings there," Waddell said of Hamilton, who is in his seventh NHL season. "The offensive ability, his analytics are off the charts. We all know Dougie is a quieter guy. Probably not the most outspoken person in the locker room, but he is certainly a good teammate.

"Dougie has been great with our young players. He has built relationships with our young players and he has taken some of these guys under his wing. We knew Dougie was going to add offense to our club and score goals and do that, but we also knew he would be a positive influence in the locker room."
 

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Found this interesting on the 31 Thoughts this week:

29. Don’t know how often this happens, but Carolina’s Warren Foegele — tied for 11th with five playoff goals — has a unique backstory. He was a higher pick in the NHL draft than he was in a junior draft. Passed over twice in Ontario, he was finally selected 135th overall by Kingston as an 18-year-old in 2014. (A growth spurt during his time at St. Andrew’s College didn’t hurt.) Two months later, the Hurricanes took him 67th in the NHL draft. Has to be rare that someone goes that much higher in the NHL than junior in the same season. He went to NCAA New Hampshire before going to the Frontenacs, but this was an astute pick by Carolina.

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