As a Blues fan, I would do that, St Louis needs to get a #1 damn moving forward, I would then take the Kyrou money and try to sign Stamkos to a 2-3 year deal for Kyrou's money. Perfect 2nd line center, leader, again something missing since ROR left.
Proposal: MTL - STL
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If Stamkos is taking a 2 or 3 year deal it is in Tampa. Stamkos wants a 7 or 8 year deal.
I've seen way worse proposals; value isn't making me think "ARE YOU CRAZY??" or "the other fanbase is going to have a Sh*t"!, so Kudos. Mtl is also looking for a top 6 winger and this addresses that.
However, I think Mtl here says no here for the same reason STL would want #5; though Kyrou is a "known" value that can play now, the draft may be deep enough that #5 overall may have a higher chance to help a team in a meaningful way. At the very least, it may simply give STL a 6 years window to replace kyrou with, if a rebuild is in the cards.
I'd say no, but id definitely see if there is interest in other assets (mtl is especially loaded at D right now), maybe coupled with later picks.
However, I think Mtl here says no here for the same reason STL would want #5; though Kyrou is a "known" value that can play now, the draft may be deep enough that #5 overall may have a higher chance to help a team in a meaningful way. At the very least, it may simply give STL a 6 years window to replace kyrou with, if a rebuild is in the cards.
I'd say no, but id definitely see if there is interest in other assets (mtl is especially loaded at D right now), maybe coupled with later picks.
5th is probably worth 7th, 39th and a 3rd
THIS
Not oppose to the trade in a vacuum, but it isn't the time yet.
EastVillageBlues
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Well, if you are talking about Thomas, then you are definitely adding.
He is a low-end / mid-range #1 C today, and still has room to improve. There needs to be something other than just the pick to make it worth while.
Jared Dunn
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Yeah I would expect to add although I don't think we'd be talking pieces like Guhle, Caufield etc. more in that next tier. If we're trading a high value piece like 5th overall I'd rather add and go BIG than settle
EastVillageBlues
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Right, I think some Blues' fans are dead set on keeping Thomas, since true #1 centers has traditionally been very hard to come by for the franchise.
Some would be willing to consider, if there is a great package that includes #5 and another big piece. It just need to solve our problems, which right now is the future of D, front and center. The forward corps of prospects are among the best in the league, the D by comparison is non-existent, probably not a single top-4 D in the future ATM. So that might be the only thing that would make the Blues budge, if there are two big pieces of future D coming back.
My best guess would be anywhere from 2-4 years depending on the AAV he's looking for. Absolutely no one is going to sign a contract that takes him into his 40s.
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Why would he sign with a team like the Blues? Blues are not a playoff contender, then you trade your leading goal scorer from the past two years for a full future's package. Why does Stamkos look at the Blues and say "oh damn, might as well go to a team who won't win in my final years in the NHL"
I respect the opinions that Blues fans wouldn’t trade a known commodity who is still fairly young and one of the few proven offensive weapons currently on the roster but I do this all day long if I’m St. Louis. You free up a ton of financial flexibility, you can look at signing a free agent or making another trade for a shorter-term scoring wing replacement and you can draft the centerpiece of your blueline overhaul.
Thomas is obviously the guy you can’t move. You’ve got Neighbors already showing goal scoring chops. Bolduc coming on strong at the end of the year and Snuggerud should arrive in the fall of ‘25 as a ready made top six wing option. Add in Dvorsky, Stenberg, Dean etc and Hofer in net and you’ve got a tremendous core.
Seems to me that the blueline is missing that formative transitional piece. Lindstein is gonna be solid and a guy like Buchinger is underrated but at some point you’ve got develop some more internal options to replace the Parayko/Faulk/Leddy/Krug era. If you tell me you can add a Buium, Levshunov, Silayev, Dickinson or Yakemchuk to the rest of your young pieces - now you are cooking with gas in all areas. And I don’t think it’s gonna take long for some of the stud defenseman in this draft to hit the NHL.
Thomas is obviously the guy you can’t move. You’ve got Neighbors already showing goal scoring chops. Bolduc coming on strong at the end of the year and Snuggerud should arrive in the fall of ‘25 as a ready made top six wing option. Add in Dvorsky, Stenberg, Dean etc and Hofer in net and you’ve got a tremendous core.
Seems to me that the blueline is missing that formative transitional piece. Lindstein is gonna be solid and a guy like Buchinger is underrated but at some point you’ve got develop some more internal options to replace the Parayko/Faulk/Leddy/Krug era. If you tell me you can add a Buium, Levshunov, Silayev, Dickinson or Yakemchuk to the rest of your young pieces - now you are cooking with gas in all areas. And I don’t think it’s gonna take long for some of the stud defenseman in this draft to hit the NHL.
Looks like the Blues are the front runners for Stamkos -https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/jon-cooper-on-tampa-bay-lightning-pending-ufa-steven-stamkos-he-belongs-here-1.2113352
Thallis
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It is communicating the high chance of Stamkos staying in Tampa & the zero chance of him signing with the Blues as some think this is an option.
I never implied the Blues would be in on signing him, I simply stated that he wouldn’t be getting a max term deal. And that 2-4 year deal projection is a blanket statement for wherever he may sign.
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I would do #5 and any young D in the system but Guhle, Hutson, Reinbacher + a long shot like Kidney or Tuch. Would sting to give Mailloux along with #5 but I'd probably bite on it. I'd guess he's young enough for St. Louis to keep and continue building around in any case
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What if #5 was off the table but the deal was built around Kyrou and Guhle as the two main pieces?
Jared Dunn
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I'm VERY high on Guhle so while I don't think the value is out to lunch I just wouldn't be interested. If someone like Struble or Xhekaj took a bigger step this year I might bite but I just feel like Guhle is poised to be too important long term. Also just don't necessarily want to target a guy like Kyrou when we already have a lot of small skilled guys
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Id Pass, but Xhekaj + id think about.
Trading Guhle so young smells like the Ryan McDonagh trade.
General Fanager
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No one will give him 7-8 years.
Id say nearly 100% chance he stays in Tampa but if he leaves no one gives him more than 4 years imo.
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Won’t happen. Guhle will be one of our most important pieces going forward.
HabsAddict
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A 5th for Kyrou or Guhle for Thomas...
They say that the best trades are the ones both sides feel the pain.
Losing Guhle, our 22 year old defensive cornerstone is going to hurt a LOT. He's our physical Weber without the canon. Well, he does have a canon but is defensivly focused. As I'm sure losing Thomas is going to hurt too.
The only upside is that if Mailman and Hutson are the real deal, Habs are going to contend in a few years. If those two are meh, we filled a hole and just made a hole in our defense.
They say that the best trades are the ones both sides feel the pain.
Losing Guhle, our 22 year old defensive cornerstone is going to hurt a LOT. He's our physical Weber without the canon. Well, he does have a canon but is defensivly focused. As I'm sure losing Thomas is going to hurt too.
The only upside is that if Mailman and Hutson are the real deal, Habs are going to contend in a few years. If those two are meh, we filled a hole and just made a hole in our defense.
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