Value of: Mitch Marner this offseason (2.5 mil retained)

[Dion TheFluff]

So Sorokin for Marner, two guys on the outs on their respective teams?

that might be a fun trade

 

[Canadienna]

I meant an extended Marner.

They would still have to give up a lot of futures, pay Marner his big number, while still being a ways away from being a playoff team.

I don't want to speak for CHI fans, but I doubt they are interested.

 

[Alluckks]

Timo Meier price

 

[Pinkfloyd]

On one hand, if all our futures plus Eklund and Zetterlund are off the table, there really isn’t anything valuable you’re offering up (Ferraro? Sturm? Granlund?) so I understand you. But on the other hand, the Sharks really shouldn’t be trading for Marner. I’d explore trying to sign him as a UFA, though.

That’s the idea. If it’s done on those terms, the Sharks could assess how he’d like being a long term option here or get real future value renting him out to a playoff team. I might consider some prospects but it’d have to be someone without much belief anymore like Coe or Laroque because they’re still from the previous management’s stock.

 

[Blueston]

Mitch Marner is a regular season superstar and a black hole of complete shit in the playoffs…

Sounds like perfect fit for Wings, who don’t make playoffs anyway.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

To
RW Mitch Marner (1 x $10.903M)

To
LW Lukas Reichel (RFA)
D Connor Murphy (2 x $4.4M)
Hawks 2025 1st (Top 10 protected, becomes Hawks 2026 1st if Hawks draft in top 10)

- Hawks take risk that Marner is willing to sign, if he isn't they flip him midseason

- Leafs get young winger (21 yrs old), A defender who fits need (RD) and a future 1st

Marner and Murphy would have to waive (Murphy would be fool to not given his career has been spent on losing teams)

In end Hawks look to add talent to NHL roster to try and improve going forward while Leafs get reset opening up cap room to potentially extend Bertuzzi and shakeup core

 

[Leafsfanperson]

Let's trade Mitch for a late first and a busted prospect or two then will have cap space.

...... when if ever in the cap era has MLSE sign a UFA that worked out ever? From Kubina to Bertuzzi they're all garbage or at best meh. This is what you want Leafs Nation?

Toronto tries to capitalize on this Mitch hate and get him to a somewhat reasonable number instead of him and father gouging the team like he did last contract.

Have fun posting trade proposals and have other fanbases just bash you for suggesting Marner has any value at all. I mean Panarin can suck in the playoffs and no one bats an eye to his contract. You want to make a Panarin for Saad deal? Get some perspective.

I’m all over this for the Pens.

Ok give us Sid.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Rossi + Middleton would probably be my first thought.

That's a great idea if the salary cap didn't exist

 

[bme44]

That offer is garbage

Your not getting an expiring Marner without a 1st + Pettersson at minimum

As bad as he has been in the playoffs this year hes the pens best or second best player

if he comes with an extensio

Yager + 1st +

Keep dreaming

 

[dirtydanglez]

I love how everyone is throwing Marner under the bus but Matthews and Tavares keep getting away with subpar performances in the playoffs.

matthews is the face of the franchise and there is nothing you can do with tavares. marner is the obvious sacrificial goat.



sorokin would address a huge need for the leafs. sorkin+ for marner ($8.5m) + woll

 

[Dion TheFluff]

To
RW Mitch Marner (1 x $10.903M)

To
LW Lukas Reichel (RFA)
D Connor Murphy (2 x $4.4M)
Hawks 2025 1st (Top 10 protected, becomes Hawks 2026 1st if Hawks draft in top 10)

- Hawks take risk that Marner is willing to sign, if he isn't they flip him midseason

- Leafs get young winger (21 yrs old), A defender who fits need (RD) and a future 1st

Marner and Murphy would have to waive (Murphy would be fool to not given his career has been spent on losing teams)

In end Hawks look to add talent to NHL roster to try and improve going forward while Leafs get reset opening up cap room to potentially extend Bertuzzi and shakeup core

I'd be fine with a return like that

 

[Leafsfanperson]

Keep dreaming

Dreaming of what? So Pettersson is a playoff performer now? He's lead a team there what twice and once in a gimmick season of fake division?

If the standard is be great in the playoffs what is to said about other teams 'superstars' that either can't make the playoffs or the there once every three or four years and get annihilated each time?

Most NHL markets are just ignored so you never see the warts on their inconsistent stars too.

Conn Smyth favorite Pettersson... the bs gets a bit thick here at times.

 

[Fatass]

what kind of value would the Leafs be looking at, if moving Mitch Marner retained to $8.5 mil this year?

Really depends on whether his new club believes they can extend him. But if Marner would waive for Detroit (for example) then he could return a lot if Leafs retain that much.

Dreaming of what? So Pettersson is a playoff performer now? He's lead a team there what twice and once in a gimmick season of fake division?

If the standard is be great in the playoffs what is to said about other teams 'superstars' that either can't make the playoffs or the there once every three or four years and get annihilated each time?

Most NHL markets are just ignored so you never see the warts on their inconsistent stars too.

Conn Smyth favorite Pettersson... the bs gets a bit thick here at times.

It might be better for Marner to play down south.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

That offer is garbage

Your not getting an expiring Marner without a 1st + Pettersson at minimum

As bad as he has been in the playoffs this year hes the pens best or second best player

if he comes with an extensio

Yager + 1st +

That’s ridiculous. Marner’s caphit makes him negative value. Any team trading for Marner will have to overpay him on his next contract. The 11+M is better spent elsewhere than in a soft winger who craps the bed post season.

At 8M aav on his next deal, he would have value. That is the only way he returns value.

 

[CallMeShaft]

As a Hawks fan, only reason I'd want Marner is to trade him at the deadline for assets. Of course he'd still have total control of where he went, so the return then wouldn't amount to anything unless he was open to a handful of teams.

So I'd maybe be so generous as to give a 2nd round pick for him (and take his entire cap hit), in hopes of turning him into a late 1st and B prospect. Maybe that's not enough for Toronto, but that's just what I would feel comfortable enough to part with.

 

[hamzarocks]

That’s ridiculous. Marner’s caphit makes him negative value. Any team trading for Marner will have to overpay him on his next contract. The 11+M is better spent elsewhere than in a soft winger who craps the bed post season.

At 8M aav on his next deal, he would have value. That is the only way he returns value.

Hes the best player on the habs in 20 years

His cap hit will fit for any team looking to seriously contend with 2 better players

Kessel made 8M retained down to 6.8M in 2016 at a 70M cap (9.7%)

Marner will extend on a 92M cap as a better player. He will get 10-11M on a non-leaf team which he will be worth.

Negative contracts are gallagher, Anderson etc, not a 90+ winger

 

[TheNumber4]

It’s wild how much pure and seething hate there is for Marner and Tavares right now. Being a pajama boy ain’t what it’s cracked up to be.

I think it’s time for a trade, it’s in the best interests of both the Leafs and Marner at this point. But with only a year remaining and reputation as a soft choke artist I don’t think the return will be high.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Hes the best player on the habs in 20 years

His cap hit will fit for any team looking to seriously contend with 2 better players

Kessel made 8M retained down to 6.8M in 2016 at a 70M cap (9.7%)

Marner will extend on a 92M cap as a better player. He will get 10-11M on a non-leaf team which he will be worth.

Negative contracts are gallagher, Anderson etc, not a 90+ winger

When you are paid 11M, you are expected to be not only a 90+ point player, you are also expected to lead your team in the playoffs.

The book on Marner is written. He's a regular season superstar and a playoff dud. No team that commits 11+M to a player will accept that.

To make matters more complicated, he has 1 year remaining on his contract and a NMC. That will minimize the number of teams that could even take him on and further reduce his already negative value.

 

[hamzarocks]

When you are paid 11M, you are expected to be not only a 90+ point player, you are also expected to lead your team in the playoffs.

The book on Marner is written. He's a regular season superstar and a playoff dud. No team that commits 11+M to a player will accept that.

To make matters more complicated, he has 1 year remaining on his contract and a NMC. That will minimize the number of teams that could even take him on and further reduce his already negative value.

This thread has [email protected] retained for a year so 8.5M and if a team is trad8ng for a 90 pt winger they expect he can be a long term core piece and woll pay what they believe is FMV

NMC is being assumed to be flexible this thread. If its not, than no Marner trade, we either do 1 more year of this shitty group and then let him walk, or somehow they pull it out of their ass and he gets signed

Leafs wont deal [email protected] for Tristian Jarry + Rielly Smith like that oens fans suggested

 

[Junohockeyfan]

This thread has [email protected] retained for a year so 8.5M and if a team is trad8ng for a 90 pt winger they expect he can be a long term core piece and woll pay what they believe is FMV

NMC is being assumed to be flexible this thread. If its not, than no Marner trade, we either do 1 more year of this shitty group and then let him walk, or somehow they pull it out of their ass and he gets signed

Leafs wont deal [email protected] for Tristian Jarry + Rielly Smith like that oens fans suggested

So the deal is effectively Marner as a rental at 8.5M? Who would take on Marner as a rental? Teams that are competing for he cup would not have any interest. You can't get past Marner's NMC. Its a huge stumbling block.

 

[iggy]

Looks like Marner led the team in playoff scoring last year. I think many people here are really over dramatic about this. I would take Marner on the Islanders all day long.

Regular Season	Playoffs	Vitals
#	Player Name	Pos.	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	Birthplace	Age
16	Mitch Marner	R	80	30	69	99	28	18	11	3	11	14	2	ONT: Markham	25
44	Morgan Rielly	D	65	4	37	41	21	-9	11	4	8	12	6	BC: Vancouver	28
34	Auston Matthews	C	74	40	45	85	20	31	11	5	6	11	7	CA: San Ramon	24
88	William Nylander	R	82	40	47	87	28	10	11	4	6	10	2	ALTA: Calgary	26
90	Ryan O'Reilly 4	C	13	4	7	11	6	3	11	3	6	9	5	ONT: Clinton	31
91	John Tavares	C	80	36	44	80	34	-7	11	4	4	8	4	ONT: Mississauga	31
23	Matthew Knies	L	3	0	1	1	2	1	7	1	3	4	4	AZ: Phoenix	19
28	Sam Lafferty 5	C	19	2	4	6	9	-1	9	1	2	3	2	PA: Hollidaysburg	27
78	T.J. Brodie	D	58	2	12	14	14	10	11	0	3	3	12	ONT: Chatham	32
64	David Kampf	C	82	7	20	27	8	6	11	0	3	3	4	Czech Rep.: Chomutov	27
19	Calle Jarnkrok	C	73	20	19	39	14	9	11	1	2	3	0	Sweden: Gavle	30
22	Jake McCabe 5	D	21	1	4	5	29	12	11	0	2	2	10	WI: Eau Claire	28
52	Noel Acciari 4	C	23	4	1	5	11	2	11	2	0	2	2	RI: Johnston	30
55	Mark Giordano	D	78	4	20	24	53	27	11	0	2	2	7	ONT: Toronto	38
15	Alex Kerfoot	C	82	10	22	32	30	8	11	2	0	2	4	BC: Vancouver	28
58	Michael Bunting	L	82	23	26	49	103	21	7	1	1	2	15	ONT: Scarborough	26
2	Luke Schenn 11	D	15	1	0	1	13	-1	11	0	1	1	11	SASK: Saskatoon	32
56	Erik Gustafsson 7	D	9	0	4	4	2	0	2	1	0	1	0	Sweden: Nynashamn	30
12	Zachary Aston-Reese	C	77	10	4	14	25	-6	6	1	0	1	0	NY: Staten Island	28
3	Justin Holl	D	80	2	16	18	39	15	8	0	1	1	11	MN: Tonka Bay	30
30	Matt Murray	G	26	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Thunder Bay	28
50	Erik Kallgren	G	10	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Stockholm	25
60	Joseph Woll	G	7	0	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	MO: Dardenne Prairie	24
96	Nicolas Aube-Kubel 2	R	6	0	0	0	4	-1	--	--	--	--	--	ALTA: Slave Lake	26
46	Alex Steeves	C	3	0	0	0	0	-2	--	--	--	--	--	MN: Saint Paul	22
82	Filip Kral	D	2	0	0	0	2	0	--	--	--	--	--	Czech Rep.: Blansko	22
40	Jett Alexander	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Bloomfield	22
85	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	C	1	0	0	0	0	1	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Moscow	21
74	Bobby McMann	C	10	0	1	1	2	-2	--	--	--	--	--	ALTA: Wainwright	26
8	Jake Muzzin	D	4	0	1	1	2	0	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Woodstock	33
43	Kyle Clifford	L	2	0	1	1	2	1	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Ayr	31
20	Dryden Hunt 10	L	9	1	0	1	9	-2	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Cranbrook	26
53	Radim Zohorna 9	L	2	1	0	1	0	1	--	--	--	--	--	Czech Rep.: Havlickuv	26
35	Ilya Samsonov	G	42	0	2	2	0	0	9	0	0	0	0	Russia: Magnitogorsk	25
24	Wayne Simmonds	R	18	0	2	2	49	1	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Scarborough	34
98	Victor Mete	D	11	0	2	2	4	3	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Woodbridge	24
81	Mac Hollowell	D	6	0	2	2	2	3	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Niagara Falls	23
26	Nick Abruzzese	C	2	0	2	2	0	1	--	--	--	--	--	NY: Slate Hill	23
18	Jordie Benn	D	12	1	1	2	12	-1	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Victoria	35
28	Joey Anderson 8	R	14	2	1	3	0	1	--	--	--	--	--	MN: Roseville	24
62	Denis Malgin 6	C	23	2	2	4	4	-1	--	--	--	--	--	Switzerland: Olten	25
89	Nicholas Robertson	L	15	2	3	5	0	2	--	--	--	--	--	CA: Pasadena	20
29	Pontus Holmberg	R	37	5	8	13	18	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Vasteras	23
25	Conor Timmins 3	D	25	2	12	14	8	1	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: St. Catharines	23
37	Timothy Liljegren	D	67	6	12	18	30	24	5	0	0	0	0	Sweden: Kristianstad	23
38	Rasmus Sandin 2	D	52	4	16	20	23	10	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Uppsala	22
47	Pierre Engvall 1	L	58	12	9	21	25	1	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ljungby	26
	Totals	278	479	757	685

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Goalies
Player Name	GP	Min	GA	GAA	W	L	T	Svs	Pct	EN	SO
Jett Alexander	1	1	0	0.00						0	0
Joseph Woll	7	416	15	2.16	6	1	0	204	0.932	0	0
Ilya Samsonov	42	2476	96	2.33	27	10	5	1088	0.919	0	4
Erik Kallgren	10	562	25	2.67	3	2	4	221	0.898	0	0
Matt Murray	26	1473	74	3.01	14	8	2	687	0.903	0	1

 

[hamzarocks]

So the deal is effectively Marner as a rental at 8.5M? Who would take on Marner as a rental? Teams that are competing for he cup would not have any interest. You can't get past Marner's NMC. Its a huge stumbling block.

Teams would see him as an elite player that cant work with another group of soft players (leafs core)

Leafs individual core pieced as the 2nd to 4th best players on another team woth better playoff performers and culture will be attractable

Also teams like Seattle, Pens, Isles, Rangers (depending on how they do and how Panarin produces these playoffs in R2 onwards), Utah, Stars, Nashville, are a few that could have interest both as a rental and as a long term piece

Those teams lack super stars and could use a marner guy with their quality offensive depth if he comes in at under 11M as a long term deal (probably 10M max)

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Teams would see him as an elite player that cant work with another group of soft players (leafs core)

Leafs individual core pieced as the 2nd to 4th best players on another team woth better playoff performers and culture will be attractable

Also teams like Seattle, Utah, Stars, Nashville, are a few that could have interest both as a rental and as a long term piece

Those teams lack super stars and could use a marner guy with their quality offensive depth if he comes in at under 11M as a long term deal (probably 10M max)

Leafs core isn't soft. Leafs added toughness for this run. It's Marner (and Tavares) that is soft and ineffective when the hitting picks up. Marner will get at least what Nylander signed for. He won't take less and allow a trade.

The Habs would never add Marner given the makeup of the team. Habs are looking for big, strong players that compete. Like a Slafkovsky / Dach type. They already have the Cole Caufield / Newhook types. They won't waste 11+ million on Marner.

 

[Habsolutely Awesome]

Florida - Marner

Toronto - Spencer Knight and negotiating rights to S. Reinhart if Florida can't sign him, if T.O. doesn't sign him, add a little more from Florida 1st rounder or second.

 

[NVious]

Unfortunately, Marner appears to be a "Beautiful Loser", similar to his Knights contemporaries, Horvat, Domi and Andersson.

Buyer beware.

Fun fact:
Marner is ranked 36th in p/60 in the playoffs with 2.5
Domi is ranked 53th in p/60 in the playoffs with 2.35

Marner costs 11 million
Domi costs 3 million

I'll take 4 Domis over Marner any day of the week, hell I'll take two of him because despite being even smaller than Mitch he actually has heart